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ELI Forums => Getty Images Letter Forum => Topic started by: Matthew Chan on August 31, 2012, 10:41:27 AM
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Teaser photo! Oscar, Robert, and Matthew "together" on video for the first time on ELI Factor!
Coming soon!
(http://www.extortionletterinfo.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/eli.jpg)
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Now I see where a bit more than two thirds of all the ELI testosterone comes from. :)
Can't wait for this episode!
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http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRfarEt2cC_0JMIUF_lWoiW_j8qStkPJvYtvP1BBScupdf01Fe0dw
Just sayin'
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;D ;D
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRfarEt2cC_0JMIUF_lWoiW_j8qStkPJvYtvP1BBScupdf01Fe0dw
Just sayin'
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(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRfarEt2cC_0JMIUF_lWoiW_j8qStkPJvYtvP1BBScupdf01Fe0dw)
Just sayin'
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Our fearless leader is lacking in his duties, bad enough I have my own list of items, now I have a Matthew list of reminders..
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Ok, I got the "reminder" hint. Sheesh. Some people.... I tell you....
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Episode 6 is finally posted! The first ELI threesome!
http://vimeo.com/49209691
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Great episode guys! My only recommendation is that you might consider changing the title. "ELI Factor - Oscar, Robert & Matthew Threesome!" might leave some voyeurs who find this episode through a search engine a wee bit disappointed.
Let me suggest "Episode 6 - Pornography trolling; Trolling for Sales Taxes".
Oscar, some excellent points made here.
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Good episode, guys. Thanks!
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Nice work. It covered a fair amount of ground on the image trolling. I like how it left the door open for further discussion about the P2P trolling, aka "porn trolling" because it involves pornography a lot of the time.
Those lawsuits are starting to get more media attention. I like the argument that pornography has no artistic or social value, and is therefore not entitled to copyright protection. That could spark some debate at the highest levels because "pornography" is still such a vaguely defined term. I could think of other types of content that one could argue have no artistic or social value, such as "torture porn" — the "Saw" and "Hostel" series, for instance. Are those types of movies ineligible for copyright protection? Who decides?
In any case, I think it's appropriate to refer to ELI's "threesome" as a subliminal teaser for the upcoming episode on Porn Trolls.
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Another ELI Defense Team "Threesome" episode is coming. Episode 7 will be posted soon.
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Episode 7 of ELI Factor has been posted. Enjoy.
http://vimeo.com/49212176
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Well done guys! Another great episode.
I have a thought for you on taking this to the next level. Really, I am just spit-ballin and I might get some ideas that I can use in my work. Either way, I am interested in where this might go.
SG, Robert, and the ELI community are so good at Search Engine Optimization and using the internet and search against the trolls, that I am thinking these videos need to get out there a little more. There is some solid information presented by credible people who clearly know the topics they are talking about. This could help more people find ELI and promote our message. It could do wonders for the credibility of ELI and Oscar's legal practice.
And I know I have said this before, but I want to take it a little further this time. Why would anyone outside of the ELI community click on a 24 minute video entitled "Episode 7" or "Oscar, Matthew, and Robert threesome"?
My company is going through this very thought process now. We have a lot of documentation and help desk troubleshooting documents indexed and available for the convenience of our customers. We are thinking about turning some of the more prevalent help desk questions and even some training class curricula into videos. But how do you get the search engines to find the video? When you have hundreds or even thousands of videos published, it is important to put the right ones on the first page of a search.
Right now, our decision rests somewhere between these two extremes. In the simplest case, we need a very descriptive title of the contents of the video. This works better than "Episode 7", but not all that well for Search Engines. In the extreme case, each video sits on a separate page with a complete transcript of what is said, as well as organizational captions to capture synonyms that people might be using to search. This should get the videos found in appropriate searches.
If we go to the extreme, some people might skip the video and just read the transcript. So then was it worth the effort to put the video together? In some cases the video is helpful where there is some kind of computer interaction or interactive charts, etc.
I guess what I am saying is that you go through the time and effort to put these videos together, but they are only reaching a small fraction of the audience they might apply to. A little wrapping might make them far more useful to the ELI target audience. What do you guys think? Does anyone have any good ideas for a compromise between the extremes of a good title and a complete transcript? Is there technology out there that can help in wrapping the ELI videos for search engines? Or is it too early in the life cycle to think about this?
I look forward to everyone's thoughts.
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Stinger, you make some excellent points. Because of my years and a general belief that the "old ways are best" and most likely other factors it would take Freud and Jung to unearth, I personally prefer reading transcripts to watching videos.
With that said, I've watched almost all the videos here on ELI, but that's because I have a major interest in the topics and also because of the community vibes coming off Matt, Robert, and Oscar... and the guests, of course.
I'm convinced effectively using video is a necessity in today's digital world, though I mourn the passing of transcripts, which I personally prefer because I can read a LOT faster than I can watch and I can also comprehend significantly more with the written word than I can while listening.
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I'll jump in real quick, but let Matthew reply to this if he has the time.. The videos we are doing will eventually be more search engine friendly, we've discussed this at lenght, we also plan on syndicating the video, thru various outlets to expand out reach..
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It may be worth mentioning that if you host your video on YouTube you get the support for transcripts and captions for "free." You can upload a transcript and/or a STL file which is a time-coded version of the transcript. YouTube even offers free voice to text transcription. Although in my experience this transcription is not very accurate.
Also, in my experience YouTube videos seem to rank well for search engine results. Although the ELI Oovoo videos have been ranking for many demand letter phrases, it seems to me the Google/YouTube videos that Robert has been creating have been knocking it out of the park, especially for certain "Demand Letter" phrases combined with the troll's lawyer's name.
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Robert, that is great to hear! Coming from where I am, and seeing some of the titles associated with the videos to date, I wasn't sure I wanted to watch some of them. I did because I too, have a major interest in the subject. And I am glad I did. But if I didn't want to watch, I could not see how they could bring anyone new into the ELI community the way they were wrapped.
But when you say the videos will be more search engine friendly, enough said. I recognize the talent in this group with making that happen.
Like Mulligan, I generally prefer to read content rather than watch video. But this video, in particular, brings out something you can't get from a transcript alone. And that is the sincerity and the passion in this cause shared by the participants.
I am beginning to see how these videos can be an asset in the Great Troll Battles to come.
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Also, in my experience YouTube videos seem to rank well for search engine results. Although the ELI Oovoo videos have been ranking for many demand letter phrases, it seems to me the Google/YouTube videos that Robert has been creating have been knocking it out of the park, especially for certain "Demand Letter" phrases combined with the troll's lawyer's name.
Thanx for the compliment Jerry! I agree youtube videos get more search engine exposure ( after-all Youtube is owned by google!) a quick youtube search for "copyright demand letters" without quotes will show we get great exposure here, as ELI expands into other areas, we will certainly take advantage of a wider array of search terms. Currently we're focused on getting a nice amount of episodes "in the can", and will then focus on the next level
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That's a good observation, Jerry, and you're absolutely right, Robert. Google's algorithm shamelessly rewards posting content on YouTube and linking to it. They're not ashamed of a little corporate incest.
Maybe The ELI Factor belongs on both Oovoo and YouTube!
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I have been incredibly busy the last week or so and have just got around tonight to be able to watch these two episodes and as always you guys did a great job and a lot of good information. Thanks for all you do guys!
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Stinger, Jerry, Mulligan, Moe, etc.
It gratifies me that all of you are so observant about the lack of SEO-friendliness in the ELI Factor episodes and caring enough to articulate your thoughts.
Here is where I am at & my thoughts on the matter.
1. Ideally, every episode would have an SEO-friendly title with accurate descriptions with complete sentences and the like. YouTube & Vimeo are the two places where ELI videos are hosted. YouTube has all kinds of weird rules, restrictions, complaint systems, etc. so I don't feel comfortable solely depending on YouTube. If YouTube shuts our account down or any video for whatever reason, it leaves us vulnerable. Hence, Vimeo is the preferred link for control purposes. To ignore YouTube is just stupid and so ELI has a strong presence there also.
2. "Home Base" for the ELI Factor episodes are "supposed" to be viewing the blog episode entry with the video embedded and show notes attached.
http://www.extortionletterinfo.com/category/eli-factor/
However, I haven't done a good job "enforcing" this by simply "allowing" the videos to be viewed directly. More than likely, "someone" (probably me) will have to go back to all the posted ELI videos and add better titles and descriptions at some point.
3. The goal is to have ELI Factor episodes released with some degree of predictable schedule frequency. Obviously, that hasn't happened yet simply because ELI is no one's "job". It is just the core group doing what they can, when they can. The fact we have have reached 7 episodes is miraculous enough. The first season will be "completed" when 2012 ends. We probably won't have much more than a dozen episodes by then.
4. Robert is correct in that there are plans to video syndicate the episodes. However, before I invest the time, energy, and a tiny bit of money to syndicate, we need to have enough episodes first and then we need to have some rough schedule to follow. Of course, this is in concert with making each episode SEO friendly as well.
5. Although the ELI Forums is where the action is for most of us "old-timers", it is a bit intimidating for most newcomers. Hence, ELI has the blog side to "highlight" the most important topics and discussions. It also happens to carry more SEO weight in Google. Again, the online tools are there but a matter of time to keep the entries current.
6. There will not likely to be any transcripts. The ELI Factor is meant to be seen & heard, not read. People who want to read have to rely on the ELI Blog and the ELI Forums. I know only the most "freakiest" of the ELI Community members will follow ALL the different platforms.
7. It's important to understand that it is very difficult to do a job to accommodate all people. The ELI Factor will always be a niche show for those who want to get the latest scoop on copyright extortions. The show allows us to go beyond the ELI Forum posts and do a personal touch. For the foreseeable future, anyone wants the latest scoop will always tune into the ELI Forums. The ELI Blog and ELI Factor will be secondary sources and a supportive role to the raw juice we serve on the ELI Forums.
8. The scope of ELI has grown so large, it is difficult for any single one of us (including Robert, Oscar, and myself) to know what is going on anymore. What "ELI" knows is now a collective effort currently lead by the 3 of us and extended further with all of you in the ELI Community. The ELI Forums will be the central hangout place for the collective knowledge. It used to be Oscar and I knew about everything that went on within ELI and all the issues being discussed and researched. Not anymore. Even Oscar has to check in on the ELI Forums to see what's going on. I have to make status check calls to Robert to find out what's going on.
9. It used to be I did a lot of online research. But seeing that the ELI Community has that well-licked, I focus on "bigger picture" issues like seeing what is on the horizon, ELI presence strategy, defense strategies, media strategies, important legal cases, creating new relationships with other websites like FightCopyrightTrolls.com, PlagiarismToday.com, etc. I also feel compelled to write and comment on certain topics to "shape" and influence what is being discussed today. Of course, I would be remiss in saying that I maintain a direct line and dialog with Oscar to ensure our working partnership and friendship on which ELI was built on remains strong. I think we can all agree that while all of us are "important" in our own way to ELI, Oscar's role as legal advisor on ELI is unique and priceless. My working relationship and friendship with Oscar will NEVER be delegated.
10. I got a little bit off-track in this post but I thought the ELI Community deserved to know what's going on "inside" ELI. Lots of moving pieces nowadays. The downside, of course, is trying to keep up with it all. However, just know that I read all the feedback and comments to improve ELI even though I am not as active as I might prefer nowadays.
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That's wonderful Matt. Thanks for taking the time to lay that out for us. If there is any way that I can help, let me know.
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Matt, you weren't off track at all with your informative and interesting post. Thanks for the good update and explanations.
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Great post and I like the ideas. You do a good job of keeping ELI growing and adapting to the latest technology that is out there, increasing our presences and reaching more and more people. Keep up the great work!
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One more quick tip: Google LOVES +1 votes. They're even more shameless about that than about the YouTube connection. Google Webmaster Tools even keeps track of your +1 stats for free.
The forum has "Like" buttons and those are great for SEO; adding +1 buttons would be a plus in a big way.