Absolutely Right Khan! I second that.
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Ok Glen. Why is it that you do not send first a " Cease" letter too ?
The "ELI Attorney Warning System." What that would be is when you see a "new" attorney whose letter appears extreme or is working for a stock photo agency, that you contact them (or me who would be happy to follow up them) and have a "ELI" (Extreme Lawyer Intervention) to warn them about what they are doing and how if you see another letter from them in the future that it will be posted on Scribe and ELI. It seems harsh to potentially damage the career of an new attorney (for life on Google) because they sent out a letter you feel is inappropriate. Wouldn't a "one strike" rule be appropriate for them? They should at least have the choice of continuing to work for the agency and pay ELI's consequences, or to stop doing this work knowing that ELI will be watching and taking action if they continue.
Glen,QuoteThe "ELI Attorney Warning System." What that would be is when you see a "new" attorney whose letter appears extreme or is working for a stock photo agency, that you contact them (or me who would be happy to follow up them) and have a "ELI" (Extreme Lawyer Intervention) to warn them about what they are doing and how if you see another letter from them in the future that it will be posted on Scribe and ELI. It seems harsh to potentially damage the career of an new attorney (for life on Google) because they sent out a letter you feel is inappropriate. Wouldn't a "one strike" rule be appropriate for them? They should at least have the choice of continuing to work for the agency and pay ELI's consequences, or to stop doing this work knowing that ELI will be watching and taking action if they continue.
My first reaction is agreeing to would not be fair to letter recipients. One of the difficulties for recipients is that until they recieve a letter, recipients are operating in a total information vaccuum. If they recieve an outrageous letter, they have no way of knowing whether others have recieved similar letters, how the letter they recieved stacks up relative to other letters, or what sorts of outcomes to expect for different sorts of responses. Posting letters fills the knowledge gap for these people, inform them they are not the only ones to recieve these. If all the outrageous ones are kept off the web, letter recipients will have little way learning about the issue.
Another difficulty is you when you request "ELI" contact you, you are actually asking some ELI person to perform an uncompensated service to benefit for you and your attorney.
A third difficulty is that we all strongly suspect that for every letter posted at ELI, numerous other letters are never sent to Matt. So, it's quite possible that the 'first time' offender has sent out several other similar letters. None of use participating at ELI have anyway of knowing.
The fourth difficulty is: This won't work. The reason it won't work is that even if ELI promisses not to post these things, there is nothing to prevent the letter recipients themselves from posting them. After that, people will link saying "look what I posted".
It's true that it may seem harsh to damage the career or a new attorney for life. But these letters are often harsh and can damage the lives and relationships of letter recipients.
I think a better way to protect the newbie attorneys is for clients like you who hire them to take two steps:
1) Inform themof the dangers of sending out letters that are too harsh. Show them examples that went overboard and
2)to review the letters to determine whether the monetary demand is clealry overboard, whether the language is too extreme and so forth. Some letters are sent out on your behalf, and if you are worried about the career of the young attorney who has entered into a business relationship with you, you are the one who needs to take steps to review the letter and make sure that it is not outrageous.
Asking ELI to take on the burden of doing this task for you seems inappropriate.
Agreed!
I can't wait to see Mulligan's "Expose"!
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What?1 you want mulligan to expose himself?! you dirty little peev!Agreed!
I can't wait to see Mulligan's "Expose"!
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Matthew,
The only thing I feel more passionately about than extortion is free speech. I've always said, your forum, your rules. But if you decide anyone is required to pay money to participate on these forums, I will have to resign as a ELI team member. I was the one that initially emailed and asked Glen to join these forums. We were all quite surprised when he showed up. Now, suddenly he is a huge burden? Frankly I don't get it, but I suspect my goals and those of this forum have somehow diverged.
My vote goes with McFilms to some degree, sorry Matt. I understand in some ways Glen is like a spammer (advertiser) but if not too excessive seems ok. Also people here have asked him these questions. Well its your forum and he has the gold rules.
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