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Embroidery Industry Consumer Alert - We listened!
Oscar Michelen:
George:
As you state, I think this forum has proved a very worthwhile tool for getting the issues out into the open in this area. You make some very valuable comments about the distinction between end users and re-sellers and distributors and your motivation for pursuing your course of action. Please keep the forum posted on the progress of your litigation as I feel the internet does not have enough sites that focus proper attention on this growing area. I feel if we can keep out the name-calling; angry rhetoric and finger-pointing, we can have an intelligent, thought-out conversation on a very important issue. I hope everyone involved will post their views and analysis so that this discussion can take place on a higher level than it has in the past.
dhall:
I would just like to add that Mr. Riddick contacted at least one of those companies listed above several months ago. I won't tell you which one. Regardless, this company contacted an attorney who looked into this matter. Attorney's advice? Ignore it. There is no case.
While the small companies may not have the resources for personal legal counsel, the big guys do.
bullyriddick:
dhall Wrote:
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> While the small companies may not have the
> resources for personal legal counsel, the big guys
> do.
That's why George is not going after big guys. According to his posts on other forums and research from Imageline, Google is the biggest copyright infringer in the world via its Image Search function. BUT, there is no lawsuit against Google. Gee, I wonder why not go after the biggest infringer, why bother with family businesses and companies that barely make ends meet in a very competitive industry. Why don't you challenge Big G, George?
George, if you are "the largest developer of original vector-based clip art illustrations and designs in the country", how come you don't have a functional web site since September 2008. Isn't that strange? March has almost passed, and there is no major upgrade of your site as it states there for several months now.
Please let us know when it will be up, because it would help many people if they could see all your collections and take them down from web sites around the world. If people had insight in your protected artwork, maybe they would take images down by themselves. Or, do you intentionally hide your artwork from everyone and by not providing information to the potential infringer, you are hoping they would accept your indecent proposals.
GRiddick:
I usually do not respond to people who are unwilling to identify themselves. If there is a reason for this bizarre behavior, please tell me. I have never experienced anything quite like this before.
As you can see, I try to answer every question that is asked of me politely by people secure enough in their convictions that they are not afraid to let others know who they are and how they feel. I find your kind of "complain, but hide my true identity" behavior in an intellectual debate of this magnitude, unconscionable.
Just so you know, I have indicated this displeasure to both Oscar Michelen and Mathew Chan, as well. I believe anonymous posts are unhealthy for a truly beneficial exchange of information in a forum such as this one.
Three things in your e-mail today got my attention, however, so I decided to make an exception and respond.
First of all, you ask two very good questions. First, I have tried hard to contain the majority of my comments on this forum to the embroidery industry, and not a single embroidery design company has indicated to me that 'Google image search' was the origin of the Imageline proprietary digital illustrations or designs identified on their web sites, or in their software products.
Second, we just doubled the size of our vector-based digital archives in early March of this year, and are working as fast as we possibly can to get our new web site up and running. Our lead developer on this project has taken ill, and that has caused us some delays, as well. Be assured, we are as anxious to publish some of our new announcements as you are.
Last, it is precisely your use of the phrase "indecent proposals" that drives intelligent people trying their best to learn away from this forum. How would you know any of our proposals are "indecent" if you do not know all of the facts. In fact, in a recent post I sent to the owner/operators of this web site, I carefully explained how our "per end user" settlement numbers, and global releases, are lower costs, and provide more peace of mind against future claims, than anyone else in our entire industry ... and by quite a margin, I might add.
Again, please consider, and encourage your business associates to do so as well, identifying yourself so that this exchange of copyight information can be more useful to everyone in the embroidery design business.
Thank you.
George Riddick
Imageline, Inc.
Matthew Chan:
George,
You have been given a great deal of latitude on this forum to post your messages. Almost too much. You will notice I have been silent. I have been silent but watching. Once again, you want to take a swipe at Oscar and me.
This particular forum has been very quiet for many days. But you decided to further your own PR agenda by making your "wonderful public announcement" here on this forum. As I suspected, because of the incredible amount of negative karma and badwill you have generated prior, it was inevitable someone would challenge your statements. It is not "bizarre", it is almost expected. You are either naive or oblivious to people's reactions. And when you say you have "never experienced anything quite like this before", that is because very few gave a platform to empower people to report and air their grievances about you and your actions.
Regarding posting anonymously on the Internet, you are naive if you think anyone can force anyone to reveal their identity. No one is required to do so to have an opinion, civil discussion, or comments. From what I have seen, no one has yet crossed the line in their conduct or behavior in this thread.
Make no mistake here, you started this line of discussion. Don't complain if someone posts disagreements and dissenting opinions.
If you don't like what you get by posting here or don't like the rules, LEAVE and DON'T POST AGAIN! Go post on your website. Quite frankly, this discussion forum was never planned to be created. It was done to simply segregate these posts from the other. This forum was certainly not created for you to further your agenda.
I don't think too many people who read this forum would be unhappy if you never came back or posted again. Quite frankly, I think your presence only stirs the pot and reignites the negative energy surrounding your presence. Do everyone a favor and stop posting.
As much as I generally like having my websites with increased traffic, I can certainly do without your participation here and the inevitable negative responses that will follow.
MatthewC
GRiddick Wrote:
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> I usually do not respond to people who are
> unwilling to identify themselves. If there is a
> reason for this bizarre behavior, please tell me.
> I have never experienced anything quite like this
> before.
>
> As you can see, I try to answer every question
> that is asked of me politely by people secure
> enough in their convictions that they are not
> afraid to let others know who they are and how
> they feel. I find your kind of "complain, but hide
> my true identity" behavior in an intellectual
> debate of this magnitude, unconscionable.
>
> Just so you know, I have indicated this
> displeasure to both Oscar Michelen and Mathew
> Chan, as well. I believe anonymous posts are
> unhealthy for a truly beneficial exchange of
> information in a forum such as this one.
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