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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Getty answered to Carol Highsmith
« on: September 08, 2016, 08:05:36 PM »
Just to note.

So, I re-read my analysis and I think there is a strong point for Team Highsmith on the affiliation issue. It's a pretense of endorsement, it's even an explicit pretense of endorsement in the case of LCS's threats, and it's pretending to the user(s) that Getty/LCS/Alamy "represent the photographer" (their words!).

*This* is not a copyright issue, hidden or otherwise. Even if, in part, it's provable via their slapped copyright on the photos or watermark. In part it's also provable through other facts, like the extortion letter, and the understanding of the public around Getty/LCS/Alamy acting as enforcement agents.

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Getty answered to Carol Highsmith
« on: September 08, 2016, 06:31:05 PM »
I really have no time tonight (damn!), but I'll pass quickly only through the Lanham Act part of Getty's memorandum. I'm too curious, so might as well do it in writing, if you wanna read that.
Fair note: this is, in my opinion, a difficult part of Carol's claims, one of the few where Getty might have a point, so I want to see how well Getty treats it, if it does. I'm limiting myself to only this particular part, for now.

The memorandum has 3 parts (from my perspective):
(1) Getty's take on copyright v public domain issue;
(2) Getty's answer to Lanham Act claims;
(3) Getty's answer to state law claims.

I'm dealing with (2) in this post.

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Although the narrative of Plaintiffs’ FAC is long and wide-ranging, Plaintiffs’ four claims against Getty Images – two federal law claims and two state law claims – are all an attempt to regain some measure of legal protection for the Highsmith Photos that Plaintiff Highsmith relinquished years ago.

Yeah, so Getty sets the stage from the start:
(a) it says that the works are in the public domain; and
(b) it follows Dastar style, asking to dismiss them because they'd be ALL some sort of hidden copyright claims.

On false or misleading representations of facts, false affiliation claims 43(a)(1)(A)

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In Count IV, Plaintiffs assert a claim against Getty Images under Section 43(a) of the Lanham Act. Section 43(a) proscribes “any false designation of origin, false or misleading description of fact, or false or misleading representation of fact” that:
(A) is likely to cause confusion, or to cause mistake, or to deceive as to affiliation, connection, or association of such person with another person, or as to the origin, sponsorship, or approval of his or her goods, services, or commercial activities by another person, or (B) in commercial advertising or promotion, misrepresents the nature, characteristics, qualities, or geographic origin of his or her or another person’s goods, services or commercial activities.
15 U.S.C. § 1125(a)(1)(A)-(B).

Right.

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In essence, Plaintiffs claim that Getty Images violated the Lanham Act by falsely holding itself out as an author of the Highsmith Photos or as the author’s agent with exclusive rights to license the photos. That type of Lanham Act claim, whether styled as unfair competition under 43(a)(1)(A) or false advertising under 43(a)(1)(B), is clearly foreclosed by Dastar and its progeny.

Is it? Saying so doesn't make it so. The second - fraudulent claim of being author's agent - doesn't seem foreclosed... Getty *IS* holding itself out as the agent with exclusive rights to license the photos. That reflects on the author, in a way that isn't strictly copyright-like...

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[... stuff from Dastar...]
The Court made clear that, as a matter of copyright law, “[t]he right to copy, and to copy without attribution, once a copyright has expired . . . passes to the public.” 539 U.S. at 33 (quotation marks omitted). Thus, “[a]ssuming for the sake of argument that [the defendant’s] representation of itself as the ‘Producer’ of its videos amounted to a representation that it originated the creative work conveyed by the videos, allowing a cause of action under Section 43(a) for that representation would create a species of mutant copyright law that limits the public’s ‘federal right to copy and to use’ expired copyrights.” Id. at 34. The Court noted that “[w]hen Congress has wished to create such an addition to the law of copyright, it has done so with much more specificity than the Lanham’s Act’s ambiguous use of ‘origin.’” Id. (noting that 17 U.S.C. § 106A provides an “express right of attribution” that is “carefully limited and focused.”).

Yes. But I'm not sure this addresses yet the complaint. (the first amended complaint didn't say "reverse passing off", did it? I thought it didn't)

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Thus, the Court held that the phrase “origin” of “goods” in the Lanham Act “refers to the producer of the tangible goods that are offered for sale, and not to the author of any idea, concept, or communication embodied in those goods.” Id. at 37.B.

Yes. But I'm not so sure it's all applicable; we seem to forget that here we actually don't even have a "buyenlarge" or even Getty as producer of the tangible goods, if the tangible goods would be ANYTHING, anything at all, different from Highsmith's photos. You know, in Dastar we actually had a film producer making a derivative work of the older work in question, and saying it's the source of the goods. It was also the author (of the derivative), but that's a different concern than 43(a). In this case, all we have are digital copies. To be sure, they're tangible goods, but they're NO DIFFERENT than the original goods. Like, not at all, in substance.

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“because photographs are ‘communicative products’ protected by copyright, false designation of their authorship is not cognizable under Section 43(a)(1)(A) after Dastar.” Morel, 769 F. Supp. 2d at 307.

Morel also had a Lanham Act claim? I forgot. I didn't follow Morel too much, though I know it.

Anyway, Getty seems right on this one. The issue is that you can't create another right, meaning basically the same and infringed by the same actions that would infringe copyright, with 43(a). That was my understanding of Dastar.

I'm not so sure about the agency issue though: what we have here is an entity that exposes Carol Highsmith's name in public as one of the authors represented by them, wrongfully, implying an right given by the person when none was given. That seems different to me.

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Although Dastar concerned a misrepresentation of origin claim, this Court has held that Dastar’s reasoning applies with equal force to bar claims for false representation of “affiliation” between the author and a distributor of the communicative product. Antidote, 467 F. Supp. 2d at 399 (holding that Dastar applies to “affiliation” claims “where, as here, one person is the publisher of a novel and the other is the author of the novel, because the holding of Dastar would be meaningless if a false authorship claim could be recast in this manner.”); Morel, 769 F. Supp. 2d at 307. Accordingly, it does not matter whether Plaintiffs style their Section 43(a)(1)(A) claim as a false assertion of authorship or a false assertion of affiliation. Either way, Dastar forecloses the claim.

This one doesn't seem right. It can't be that I can claim affiliation and/or endorsement of the author, when I do not have permission from them, only because - lets say - the author can't prevent me via copyright. What exactly would be the leftover meaning of 43(a) affiliation claim, if it lives or dies via copyright alone? Then we can remove the section from the Lanham Act, and make all of them things into things to be dealt only with the copyright act.

Maybe it's just me, but on this point, I don't get what Getty wants to say. There are public domain works out there (I'm NOT saying Highsmith's photos are, but just take a hypothetical for public domain works), like SQLite. I bet I can't go around claiming I'm affiliated or endorsed by Hwaci, the company where most its developers work, or that I'm Hwaci's agent, when I'm not.

That's NOT a copyright issue, it's - I think - indeed a Lanham Act issue. (and probably some state laws)

On false advertising, 43(a)(1)(B)

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In an apparent attempt to circumvent Dastar, Plaintiffs also assert a false advertising claim under section 43(a)(1)(B). FAC 223-225. Plaintiffs rely on language in Dastar in which the Supreme Court presented a hypothetical and stated it “might” give rise to “a cause of action . . . for misrepresentation under the ‘misrepresents the nature, characteristics [or] qualities’ provision of § 43(a)(1)(B).” 539 U.S. at 38; see FAC 222. However, this Court has already considered this precise passage from Dastar and rejected any attempt to use it as an end run around Dastar’s bar on misrepresentation of authorship claims:

While this language might be read to suggest that the Supreme Court was leaving open the possibility of a claim arising from a misrepresentation going to the substance of a work, rather than the work’s authorship, in the instant case, with respect to claims that sound in false authorship, the holding in Dastar that the word “origin” in § 43(a)(1)(A) refers to producers, rather than authors, necessarily implies that the words “nature, characteristics, [and] qualities” in § 43(a)(1)(B) cannot be read to refer to authorship. If authorship were a “characteristic[ ]” or “qualit[y]” of a work, then the very claim Dastar rejected under § 43(a)(1)(A) would have been available under § 43(a)(1)(B). Antidote, 467 F. Supp. 2d at 399-400

I remember this from the first amended complaint. I didn't write on it, but yeah, it did seem disputable to me that authorship-related or copyright-rights-related claims can be about the "nature, characteristics, qualities" of the work. We'll see, does Team Highsmith have some caselaw to back their interpretation? I don't know much Lanham Act jurisprudence, so I can't say on this one.

There's another problem for Getty though. Authorship is not the only thing here. There's also misrepresentation regarding the status of the works, the threats to pay up because the works are supposedly under a copyright "infringed" by the users. So far Getty seems to be answering to only one, clearly Getty loves how Dastar bans hidden authorship/credit claims so it tries to make it all about authorship.

But I'm not sure it would work for copyright rights either, tbh. When I hear false advertising I think about material falsity, I mean physical...

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According to Plaintiffs, Getty Images is “advertising and promoting a ‘rights managed’ license fee” for the photos, even though “Getty has no exclusive rights” to the photos and “therefore, has nothing to ‘license.’” FAC 223. But even if true, the “license status” of creative works such as these does not concern “the nature, characteristics, qualities, or geographic origin” of the works, and thus is not cognizable under Section 43(A)(1)(B)

Ah, there it is. So, about the "license status", yeah. I think Getty has a point. As noted, I don't really know history on this (Lanham Act). It's just hard, from the point of view of a copyright nerd, to understand why false licensing would be false advertising of a product. "Advertising and promoting a 'rights managed' license fee" (if this is indeed the expression in the complaint) doesn't really sound like advertising of a product, does it? (Then again, my problem still is, how do you call it then, when it *is* misleading people, and threatening them with 'rights' to sue they do not own? It seems like racketeering, of sorts.)

Anyway this is a matter of correct Lanham Act interpretation (which I do *not* even try to do), and we'll see what caselaw Team Highsmith will bring to the table.

Trivia

Getty's memorandum conveniently quotes some decision made by Rakoff. I didn't check it out, just think that in general it's not a bad idea.

You know, there's even a startup in legal tech area, which attempts to offer insights into how court cases work, based on... counting previous wins or losses of particular lawyers in front of particular judges:
http://premonition.ai/news/

Conclusions

Too early for conclusions actually, but I want to reiterate the main things I take away from this particular issue with Lanham Act:
  • My impression on Getty's answer on this point is that it's not bad, at a cursory reading. It was easy to be pretty good, mind you; hey even I expected it, because Dastar is crystal clear and amazing, and indeed doesn't accept authorship claims disguised as some kind of false designation of origin, and we have an uneasy overlap here.
  • However, the points Getty brings on agent/endorsement/affiliation issue don't seem convincing to me. I'm not sure, I would need to check all this, I'm just unconvinced Dastar bars affiliation claims, or that it should. I hope we shall see more on that one. Remember LCS *did* explicitly hold itself as agent of the copyright holder/author in its pursuing of Carol herself. This is NOT some implicit authorship claim on the work, regardless whether there were also such pretenses, it's something else entirely.

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Getty answered to Carol Highsmith
« on: September 08, 2016, 04:38:49 PM »
Found Getty's answer, or rather, a memorandum of law in support of their motion to dismiss:
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3104590-Getty-Highsmith.html

And another article on it:
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/music-publishers-photo-agencies-battle-926620

Comment on Dastar
*Before* reading Getty's memorandum, one quick comment at first sight through the table of contents: it relies on Dastar to ask for dismissal of Lanham Act claims. Bloody hell, fine. This is so interesting to me, because one reason why in my laundry list of alternative bases for Carol, I didn't list Lanham Act, was because I assumed (but did not check!) that it was barred by Dastar. Moreover I didn't comment on the first amended complaint on this point, because I didn't want to do Getty's work for them. :P

The core issue there is this: copyright indirectly concerns attribution, authorship, credit, whatever you name it. Lanham Act on the other hand, meaning trademark, concerns source of goods and protecting the consumer from confusion (and the mark owner from misleading claims of competitors). At some point they seem to intersect (right? sometimes the author is the source or producer of the work, and one could seem prone to confuse even if it isn't). But the Supreme Court in Dastar held that they do NOT intersect. They have to deal with different concerns. The person might be the same all right, but the perspective that makes them an author is different from what makes them the source of goods. If a claim is actually in copyright (e.g. missing attribution, or misattribution), one shouldn't forcefully make it into a Lanham Act claim, e.g. complaining about the incorrect "source of goods". Even though all authors and all distributors and derivative works authors would somehow appear to be part of the "source" on the way, until the work gets to a user, or precisely because they all appear to be, they can't all be the meaning of "source" of a work. From the user's perspective, it's only one, like the manufacturer, not the whole array.

Here's the Dastar decision: (a wonderful read, btw, even without implications for this case)
Dastar v Twentieth Century Fox Film

The facts there are not the facts here, and the claim itself was also bizarre ("reverse passing off"). Still, basically, to me, its point is: if a claim of attribution/misattribution makes sense naturally in copyright, I would be wary to state that maybe there's a trademark-ish issue in there, too, or instead; because it might well not be.

In our case, it's a mess... Holding that these photos are "highsmith/buyenlarge/getty", means what exactly, does it mean that the photos were held to the users as being a work curated and copyrighted by Getty, offered by Getty to the user, or authored in some way by all three, or what the heck does it mean? Team Highsmith made a Lanham Act claim. I was surprised, but as I was reading the first amended complaint, I was further pleasantly surprised to see that Team Highsmith knew what it was doing: it actually quoted Dastar in a way that supported their claim. (I don't have it now in front of me, speaking from memory)

I was happy to see that it was well aware this one might be tricky, and considered it before making their claim.

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Getty answered to Carol Highsmith
« on: September 08, 2016, 03:43:51 PM »
Here is the (full?) list of legal representations:
https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/15309054/Highsmith_v_Getty_Images_US,_INC,_et_al

Nancy Wolff is legal representative for Alamy and LCS. Lindsay Warren Bowen, Jr, from Jenner and Block, also represents Alamy and LCS. Three other lawyers from Jenner and Block represent Getty Images.

Jenner and Block is the firm I mentioned in the previous post, those who apparently performed some work for Carol Highsmith in the past.

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Getty answered to Carol Highsmith
« on: September 08, 2016, 03:38:30 PM »
A detail I find on them internets: it seems the law firm representing Getty in this suit has had some previous work done for Carol Highsmith, if I'm reading this right:
http://www.law360.com/articles/832483/jenner-block-says-there-s-no-conflict-in-getty-photos-suit

It appears it will continue to represent Getty though. (probably not the same lawyers? I don't know.)

/trivia

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Speaking of the latter link. Here's the only quote of relevance to the trial, and I'm presenting it here because it's insightful:

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Photographer Carol Highsmith has donated her life’s work of tens of thousands of photos to the Library of Congress during her decades long career. Originally trained as an architectural photographer, Highsmith embarked on an ambitious project to photograph every American state in the 1980s, traveling up to ten months a year across the country to photograph small towns, big cities, roadside attractions, and everything in between. Highsmith’s photographs have appeared in films and television as well as in books, gallery exhibits, and even on a postage stamp. In 2009, Highsmith was chosen as one of four women highlighted as part of the Library of Congress’s Women’s History Month profiles. Highsmith has been in the news lately due to her lawsuit regarding Getty Images’s use of her images.

Highsmith’s project predates our work as Creative Commons, but her work is very much in the spirit of our community. By removing copyright restrictions from her photographs, Highsmith is engaged in the important work of growing a robust commons built on gratitude and usability; her singular archive at the Library of Congress is a testament to one woman’s passion and generosity. In this interview with CC, Highsmith shared some of her favorite photographs and stories from the road, her inspirations, and why she has hope in a new generation of innovation.

This is a piece of great writing. Creative Commons doesn't take any position whatsoever on any issue of the trial. It can't, quite, do so, and it doesn't. But it suggests exactly what might help Carol on the issue in this topic: copyright v public domain. It suggests that her intentions were in the spirit of building a commons of works that everyone can use and share, not impeded by copyright restrictions.

*Like* a Creative Commons license, which didn't exist at the time of her instrument of gift; otherwise, who knows, it might have fit her intentions.

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: What Supreme Court is PhotoAttorney quoting?
« on: September 08, 2016, 03:09:06 PM »
I see your points, folks, but I don't think that's all there is to it. OK, Photoattorney makes a decision to the contrary look like a decision favorable to her intended points, I can understand that, but it's not the only thing happening here. A legal citation is deterministic, that citation should mean what it says:
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464 U.S. 417, 418, 104 S.Ct. 774, 777 (1984)
means: a decision of the Supreme Court ("S.Ct."), always. A citation from "S.Ct." is from the Supreme Court. It also says year, it was published in 1984, and, it says the decision is to be found at 464 U.S. 417. That's this one:
https://scholar.google.se/scholar_case?case=5876335373788447272

Notice that on top it says 464 U.S. 417 (1984), our numbers. Now the rest of the numbers should mean other stuffs like pages or paragraphs, I forget. I actually did learn this darned system of legal citation, but I don't use it, so I forget details I don't use, like exact paragraphs - and all I know is to look up enough for my wish to read one thing or another. I *always* found the exact quotes by doing that, by the first numbers. I didn't care about paragraphs numbering (which is why I forget what's up with those). But in this case, I don't find the quote at all. Which is why I'm puzzled.

I don't know, it *might* be that Westlaw or stuff contains more text AFTER the text of the decision, which is not included in Google scholar and is included in legal databases, but even if that is so, then the citation shouldn't be from the Supreme Court. Because the Supreme Court's words should be those published by Google scholar... Dunno, I'm still puzzled.

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Getty answered to Carol Highsmith
« on: September 08, 2016, 01:26:50 PM »
Source:
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-getty-images-carol-highsmith-20160907-snap-story.html

The article mentions that Alamy filed separately an answer too.

I didn't read the answers yet; but as expected it's clear Getty went the route to attack her copyright in the photos. From the article:
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In its court papers, Getty Images noted that publishers charge money for their copies of novels by Charles Dickens or for Shakespeare plays even though those are in the public domain.

Sure thing, except that's not what Getty is doing.
So can people charge for CC-BY or CC-BY-SA works, they just don't call the charge a "copyright license" and absolutely don't claim some exclusive rights somewhere in them. LCS/Getty does that with CC licensed works too:

https://www.2600.com/content/2600-accused-using-unauthorized-ink-splotches

And, how about pursuing "infringements"?

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The company’s lawyers said the lawsuit was “an attempt to regain some measure of legal protection for the Highsmith photos that plaintiff Highsmith relinquished years ago.”

Yeah, as I expected. This will be the hurdle to clear, it's because of the wording of the instrument of gift that Getty can make an argument here.

EDITED to add: if anyone has the answers filed by Getty and Alamy, please post them.

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This is Greg's experiment that stinger mentioned:
http://www.extortionletterinfo.com/forum/getty-images-letter-forum/an-experiment-against-getty/

It's a long thread but you'll figure it out. :)

At this time, many people have sent letters to AGs and presented their situations. An index of complaints is maintained by Greg here:
https://www.scribd.com/doc/222235974/1-2-Index-of-Compaints

The last link is present in a court complaint, even, in Zuma v Getty, because really the more they are, the more it shows to everyone, including courts, that it's an usual behavior from Getty's part.

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Note:
The judge in this case is Rakoff, the judge that took over Highsmith case, as noted here.

IOW, we have the opportunity to see first hand how he thinks in a stock images case. To me, it looks correct and very very to the most formal detail. Generally speaking, that's not necessarily the best thing - individual author would be held to the same -, but for trolls' cases, it most likely is.

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A fairly interesting decision in Palmer/Kane LLC v. Rosen Book Works LLC, filed a few days ago. As the decision notes, Palmer/Kane licenses its stock photography through licensing agencies such as non-parties Corbis Corporation and Alamy Limited.

The first part of the decision discusses the ways in which Palmer/Kane was registering a bunch of images, and finds most of them unsufficient:

http://propertyintangible.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Palmer-Kane-LLC-v-Rosen-Book-Works-LLC.pdf

The main issue is that Corbis registered multiple images as once, and, when it did so, it didn't fulfill conditions for any of the two possibilities: (1) group registration of multiple individual works, or (2) registration of a compilation of individual elements/works.
Group registration has a bunch of details that have to be fulfilled, for it to be properly done, including in how long it is filed after publishing the works and others. Palmer/Kane, or its agent Corbis, now Getty, didn't fulfill those, and argued that it didn't need to, because it actually wanted to register the images as a compilation. But that doesn't work for a formal reason: copyright office requires such registration to specifically write to a field on the form, that it's a compilation..

Only a couple of images, out of 11, survive this step, and will be on trial for infringement. All the rest of images failed, for unsuitable registration.

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Be that as it may, the Highsmith and Zuma cases are really getting me excited about a possible change for the better.  I know it is early, and both cases might be settled, but I sure hope these guys stick to their guns.  How can we show them how many small people this actually affects?

I keep thinking about this. The information is here, in the archives, but it's not the optimal shape for information to be conveyed in order to clarify the patterns (as I kept saying above). It's not the same thing.

Maybe a limited collection of posts and displayed differently - I'm not sure about that. Or maybe a carefully chosen collection of blogs and analyses on the basis of the facts happening over years, as documented here and elsewhere.
I don't know. If I imagine what the cases need... the kind of analysis based on data, requires a lot of digging and careful writing... maybe. (And as Matthew reminded, what we see publicly is only a part.)

Not sure, I'm still thinking about it.

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A quick note on Rakoff. These are his copyright cases, at a cursory search in scholar (and only SD NY):

scholar search

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Forgot that I wanted to give a shout out to forum user Engel Nyst who has already spotted one such recipient and notified me. Engel has been on top of the discussion of this case from the beginning.

I'm happy to. Indeed I spent quite a lot of time on the case since I saw it.

It doesn't seem fair any way I take it, for any decent or innocent party in all this, author and misled users, to see Getty get away then do it again.

Heck, happy to help in the hope that it won't do it again, at least.

To my beloved ELI Forum members: Yes its been awhile since I have posted but the forum has a life of its own and it continues to address the important issues of the day in the copyright arena so I want to get back into it with the recent filing of the Highsmith v. Getty Images complaint and amended complaint.  Matt Chan already posted my article about the case from my CourtroomStrategy.com blog I do not want to get into great detail but I would like to hear from anyone who received a letter from Getty related to a Highsmith picture. If anyone knows of a letter recipient who was contacted by Getty or NCIS or LCS or any other entity please have them email me at [email protected]  Thanks

It might be time consuming to find more. We'll see of course, but what bothers me is, what is the likelihood people knew they were Highsmith photos? At least from Alamy, and sometimes Getty, her name wasn't mentioned at all. And if her name was on the photo on Getty's site, but people got somehow a copy without name, they might not know.

Just brainstorming, what can we do:
- social media sharing this
- the photos might help: we can set up a site with them, and clear information for people to check their case and take action, eg description of the case, what we think, what we need
- spread info on our other sites
- tempted to think of ... automatically scanning internet archive for traces of those files, maybe file names - ok, bad idea

I'm sure it can be done, it just seems to need a lot of time reaching out and trying to spread info and get info, and time seems a concern. It's needed before discovery? I'm assuming during discovery they should come to light from Getty. Might need some monkeys to do the job.

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Although I am not as active on this board as I was when I was being pursued by Getty, prior to my SOL lapsing, I do read and appreciate everything you post, and look to jump in where my somewhat dated knowledge of the topic can be helpful.

I try not to let the Copyright Trolls efforts raise my blood pressure too much anymore, but your efforts seem to be having the opposite effect.  I now come here for a dose of calming, "it just looks like they might get theirs" mantra that you provide.

Keep up the Great Work!

Thank you so much. I'm not sure your kind words are deserved, but I'm sure we can end copyright trolling and bullying. Though it's sometimes hard in US system, or well, it takes long and it's expensive, to straighten the law.

(I'm extremely interested in the Carol Highsmith case, and I'd *hate* it for it to fail - or get settled -, because it has real chances to bring light in the area. It can bring awareness of and relief for large scale extortion, for important photographs for American people, and even world.
The problem with it is the instrument of gift, but maybe, if it comes to that and Carol sticks with it, we can see an even better case for public domain works. It wouldn't be equitable in any way I see, to accept that if Carol put her work in the public domain for real, then these corporations can just slap a fake copyright on it, lie to their users about it, and pursue them for "infringements" of a right they never had, while everyone - author and judge - would just watch. I cannot believe there's nothing we can do, even then or specially then. Public domain is called that way because it literally belongs to everyone, so it concerns everyone.)

Just musing over that. Anyway we're not there yet, and maybe we won't be: Team Highsmith has a good theory on the rights Carol kept and which she gave away. It makes sense, and I wait to see what arguments exactly will be played out.

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