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Although we may think the internet should be open to expression in a free society, this article http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/18/tech/web/google-transparency-report/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 says "not so much".

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Oscar, I just need to say that I just love it when a lawyer uses the words "Getty" and "class action lawsuit" in the same sentence.  8)

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Well said SoylentGreen!

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I nominate Ian (Scraggy) for instant "Hero" status on this ELI forum.  Is that possible Matt?

Ian, you have made my week.  If you have any tips for how we can get a U.S. class action suit against Getty started, I am all ears.  And I am willing to devote a significant number of hours to helping such a thing along.

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Since Getty doesn't put any identifying information or watermarks in their images, one can never be entirely sure.  Even if you did web searches on every image on your site and found no connections to Getty, that does not mean that Getty won't sign an agreement a month down the road with a photographer and then come after you for your past use.

Your best bet is to use only images you have a license for (that you can produce on demand) or images you have taken yourself.

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If Getty is collecting the tax and not paying it to the state, that can be in for some TROUBLE!

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Well done April! 

Now that's the kind of PR ELI can use.

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Questions about my upcoming battle
« on: June 11, 2012, 04:45:00 PM »
It's really wrong of them to send this to your employer, but it may be a new tactic to up the pressure.

They might figure the amount is small enough that perhaps the employer would pick it up for you to keep you from being distracted for the next 3 years.

Still, it's WRONG WRONG WRONG!

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Absolutely Right Khan!  I second that.

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I side with the free speech folks on this issue.  Not because I like Glen Carner or any of his answers, and I despise his non-answers.  It's because I believe that free speech is one of the things that is right with this country.  And it's not really free if it is only for my friends and those who agree with me.

In this particular case, however, I am not going to resiqn from ELI if Glen is booted out.  But that is because I don't believe that Glen Carner is sincere about why he is here.  And although I don't agree with everything about this forum (or almost anything else for that matter), I think ELI does a lot more good than harm.

So, with or without you Glen, I am still here - as long as I see the good outweigh the rest.

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Very nice letter Oscar.  And thanks for publishing it Matt.

I think this shows the  value of the Letter program to anyone looking at the program and trying to decide if that is the proper way to proceed.

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All good questions Mote.  I, too, hope to see the answers.

I'd like to add another breakdown to the questions.  When I reviewed the letter program a few months back, it appeared that it was focused on those accused of mis-using one or two photos.  Can we break down those statistics into what happens based on how much money Getty is demanding or how many images they are talking about?

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Hawaiian Letters & Lawsuits Forum / Re: Free Baitpapers
« on: June 04, 2012, 09:38:30 AM »
Rock on Matthew and Buddhapi

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Glen:

I have not heard you say anything about the "entrapment" issue Buddhapi brings up.  I suppose you can try to deny that spreading the images as "free" and then trapping those who use them in the threat of a lawsuit is not your strategy, but most members of this forum find that infuriating.

Let me give you the benefit of the doubt.  If your sales and marketing guys went through a period where they thought free distribution would increase sales, then found that it didn't, so they tried to pull in the reigns and cut out the free stuff but couldn't because others who weren't under your control ran with the free stuff, - it is your past sales and marketing guys that damaged your business.

They may no longer work there today, but is it right to try to get back what your people gave away, on the backs of innocent people?  Don't you find anything dishonest in trying to cover the tracks of how all that "free stuff" got out there?  And then trying to profit on it?

If it was as cut an dried as people are stealing your images and making money on the backs of your artists, most of us would be defending you.  But that is not what has gone on.  Why aren't watermarks, copyright notices, artist identification and the like more predominant in your works?  And why should anyone be help accountable if you participated in spreading that bait?

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Soylentgreen,  I think you are absolutely right "they must change or die".

But how do we get them to see this, when they are so close to it?  Is Glen Carner here because he is beginning to see the end is near, or to further his PR agenda?

You are also right about doing what's fair.  But the law doesn't necessarily agree, and as long as that is the case, people will try to use the law for advantage.  Our leverage is to ensure that those business that do, DIE.

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