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It's funny how life works.  I never imagined I would ever discuss the issue of asset protection as it relates to copyright infringement situations. But I guess Getty Images and their ilk have spawned the need for such information.

You won't be able to find many lawyers who will willingly (or able) to advise you on the art and craft of asset self-protection which is, by the way, entirely legal.

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I actually was going to recommend that he take this offline and get on the ELI Phone Support program, but I thought it would come off as a bit self-promotional. Hence, I just posted my thoughts out here along with his.

As a matter of public disclosure, UJB has gotten to know me beyond the ELI Forums and he knows that I absolutely subscribe to (and practice to great effect) a creative and "crazy", "dirty street-fighter" non-lawyer mindset to any conflict... legal or otherwise.

I recently wrote a paper pointing out to those within the legal community that ELI (with very few exceptions) is a community of underdog, underfunded, under-trained non-lawyers whom engage in LEGAL (vs. illegal) non-legal tactics and discussions, facing off against much larger, superior-funded, legally-trained adversaries that are heavily reliant on non-lawyers' legal ignorance and lack of legal education.

Oscar brings in the legal tactics and strategies.  We then take Oscar's information and advice repurpose that to include LEGAL non-legal options.  Remember, non-legal tactics options such as avoidance, going dark, asset protection, and judgment-proofing are NOT illegal. They may be "vexatious" to your legal opponents but no one goes to jail for being "vexatious" in civil matters which is exactly what copyright infringement is in most situations.

As a side note, it is my intention in the near future to take to pen (or keyboard) and publish all the LEGAL non-legal tactics that are available to any non-lawyers facing legal situations and have it widely disseminated. It is also my intention to help alleviate the rampant issue of legal ignorance (lack of legal education). I cannot save the world but I can certain educate ELI readers and visitors.

I don't think Oscar wouldn't advise this either, but if you were truly looking to discuss your options, I would advise getting an hour consult with Matthew about your situation.  That way, you don't make Oscar's advice public and you get the benefit of anything Matthew might be able to add from a non-lawyer perspective.

A lot of strange things are happening in copyright troll land right now as the trolls adjust to the ELI effect and I don't think it is out of the question that certain Getty retained Xerox Machine operators would start posting on here that Oscar's program doesn't work.

But, I may be wrong.  And if I am Luong, I suggest either listening to all of the advice Oscar is giving you or if you really want to talk about what is happening, spring for an hour with Matthew.

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Thank You Mr Chan...
« on: October 16, 2014, 02:14:13 AM »
Glad you joined the ELI Forums. I think you can see why I recommend it as a follow-up to the call.  Plenty of smart, seasoned people on this forum.

I always believe there are options people can choose from. Everyone gets to choose the ones best suited to their personal situations and personality.

I have spoken and encountered way too many people who came from the "PeePiss" Legal services camp. It only reinforces what I constantly say, lots of dumb lawyers especially those under 35 (which is what you likely dealt with). I've had my fill of having to educate young lawyers while having the privilege of paying them and telling them how to do their jobs!

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Personally, I wouldn't pay the $4K.  I would probably follow the Advernet road and get some basic level of defense filed and maybe pursue discovery.  But once you get a few defense pleadings on the record, I would then just let it go and let them spend money pursue it.  Judgments are not that easy to collect on especially if they are corporate ones.  Even a personal judgment would be very difficult to collect on if you know what you are doing.

$4K might be worth paying or not.  People's scale of money is different.  $4K means something to me. It wouldn't break me but I wouldn't be so quick to part with it either.

There is the ultimate get out of jail card, Chapter 7 bankruptcy.  I certainly wouldn't execute on that just to not pay Getty but if you already had a ton of personal and business debt, getting rid of Getty's judgment would be the cherry on the top.

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Read and follow the instructions.  It is there. 


To sign up for the Defense Letter Program, type up a short description of your case, scan copies of the Settlement Demand Letter, any follow-up letters, and any other correspondence you may have written/emailed and then email it with your written request to: digitalimagelitigation@gmail.com. Or you can use FAX.  Please FAX your Contact Information (email address & phone number) and your copy of the Settlement Demand Letter to: 516-741-3223.

Please allow the staff two (2) business days for someone to respond to your request. If you do not receive a response or need to follow-up on a case, call Oscar’s assistants (Susan, Jeffery, or Jonathan) at 516-741-3222.


We've had many people sign up just fine through the instructions on that page. You need to email them all your documents and describe your case.  When they receive it, you will hear from them. They will review the information first and then ask for payment if they accept your case.

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: what are my options?
« on: October 14, 2014, 12:46:25 AM »
Robert, Jerry, and Stinger are very knowledgeable. I support their answers.

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Oscar's program is a legal representation program. It "works" just fine however he cannot perform miracles if the underlying facts of your case are not favorable which is what it sounds like.  There is something much more to your story if Oscar is telling you to settle for $4K. Much more that you are not telling us.

If someone has allegedly infringed on 10 or more images and then DON'T take them down, no one on ELI can easily support you. It is just plain stupidity when people get notices and DON'T take them down immediately.  ELI doesn't support intentional, willing, or egregious infringements. 

If you can make it to the 3-year mark, you will be home free. Also, if you have few assets or hard to find, then filing a lawsuit will become a huge expense to them.

FYI, the fact that Getty "comes after you" for the entire 3 years means very little because they are in it for the money and they hope to wear you down through threats.  Many people get "threatened" for much of the 3 years. That doesn't tell us anything.

As Greg said, without knowing more about your case, it is hard to comment more.  The few lawsuits that were filed by Getty all settled. They were the unlucky ones.

Also, Getty could also be lying to Oscar as well.  Getty has a huge track record of lying and bluffing. I am not saying they are necessarily doing that with your case but it is a possibility.

I have been fighting with Getty for 2 years with a lot of email back and forth. But they keep going after us. I even paid Oscar with Defensive Letter but it does not work. Oscar told me that Getty has targeted our case as a potential lawsuit defendant and suggested me to pay $4000. This year they filed 10 lawsuits in courts. What should I do ?. Any help and suggestion is appreciated

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I think Buddhapi might know the answer to this. He might chime in here.

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We've had a number of people come our way after being victims of bad advice from PrePaid Legal and other such programs.  I am sorry to say that such programs are for the legally ignorant which is most of the non-lawyer population.  And anyone who has any legal intelligence that receives letters from a lawyer from PrePaid legal KNOWS it means nothing. 

PrePaid Legal works best when the people you send them to are legally ignorant.  That generally means other non-lawyers.  Most lawyers of any merit and non-lawyers of legal intelligence can see right through Prepaid Legal issued letters.

Don't get me started on PrePaid Legal and others of their ilk.

Unreal... guess I got my 20.00 a month's worth from them

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Asset protection is a huge area of discussion. I am only going to provide some nuggets. IF you need more, you need to Google or you can sign up for an ELI Support Call with me and I can speak more freely.

1.  I like to put real estate in either an LLC or Land trust. Or you can encumber a property with a credit line or a mortgage through an entity you own.
2.  Legitimate Retirement accounts like IRA's and 401K's are generally untouchable and ungarnishable.
3.  Many small business owners in service related businesses have generally shell corporations. They are legitimate but have few assets such as a checking account. The few assets can be generally be moved to another entity fairly quickly.  S-Corps and LLCs are good entities and relatively inexpensive to create.
4.  There is a concept of "financial and asset protection friends" who do favors for each other. They are 3rd party, non-related parties that agree to be your trustee or hold assets.
5.  Chapter 7 bankruptcy disposes a judgment as well as ALL debts and releases you from nearly all liabilities you might have.

However, keep in mind there is no really fool-proof way of protecting everything if someone is willing to spend enough to come after you. The idea is to dissuade them due to costs, not entirely prevent them.  In any case, the cost of employing such mechanisms also have an inherent time, energy, and money cost.  For some, it isn't worth the hassles and expense. There are pros and cons to executing such asset protection strategies.  I myself use them to ensure more asset privacy but also make it very costly for someone to come after me. I have a few "financial friends" who come to me to get my opinions on such matters in an unofficial capacity. I am not a lawyer but I am not afraid to say that I know more about asset protection than most run-of-the-mill lawyers and they know that.  I am part of an informal network of small business owners who studied up on this many years ago and we know the world can be a litigious place and we take steps to dissuade people from benefiting from lawsuits they might file.

Having said all that, Getty needs to file 100 lawsuits before it crosses over into the 1%-5% range of risk.  They did a PR stunt on filing 5 lawsuits earlier this year.  The uninformed fell for it.  We had people all up in arms about it until we did the analysis.  The smart people who read ELI got the true context that because Getty issues so many letters per year that filing 10-20 lawsuits per years is still a statistical blip in the big scheme of things. And even with those lawsuits, the settlement will not likely bankrupt anyone.  Let us also not forget, they hand-picked those lawsuits. They were not arbitrary.

If I had to get an extortion letter from any big company, Getty is the one to get it from because the membership of victims from its extortion letter victim is legion.

Also, a shameless self-promotion.... sometime in the future I will be writing and releasing information never publicly revealed before about Getty and other copyright extortionists I have dealt with since 2008. The ELI Team have been fighting legal battles behind the scenes since our enemies have engaged in very surreptitious methods to "contain" us and shut us up. It is going to be both informative and "gossipy". My new blog, http://Defiantly.net will be the home of future announcements and updates.

New here-got my first Getty letter about a year ago, followed by 2 recent  McCormack letters, giving me a deadline to pay, followed by a "courtesy extension" of that deadline for 2 weeks. They want 2 grand for 3 images which actually cost about 100.00 total. Haven't decided whether to ignore, use Oscar, or try to negotiate directly to get their demand down.
In the event they sue and win some outrageous judgement,  I would love to make it an expensive and meaningless "victory" for them for them. Any opinions about  protecting assets, such as houses, vehicles, salary/wage protections, 401ks, possible inheritances, moving from DBA/Sole Proprietorship to LLC,  etc..  would be appreciated. I live in Florida.

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Mulligan,

We found the comments, remarks, and questions from the Justices quite enlightening. However, I have a healthy amount of caution where the legal is concerned. Whatever the final outcome, I can safely say that I had an excellent and impressive legal and support team.  We are making legal history in the area of Internet free speech in Georgia and beyond. This case will be permanently in the legal record books and will guide the direction of Internet free speech for website owners in Georgia for years to come.

It has been an interesting journey and the scope, coverage, and impact of this case continues to expand outwards in ways we never anticipated. New friends, supporter, and allies have come from very unexpected places. It has been a tremendous team effort to get this far.

We are fighting a battle on behalf of all website owners in Georgia to allow underdogs to speak out against and passionately criticize those that would use misleading legal threats and tactics as part of their arsenal.

Website owners and Internet businesses in the other 49 states will be closely watching the outcome of this case to see if a local court is allowed to entirely and permanently silence and eliminate thousands of messages from any website written by scores of people by way of a stalking order against someone who had never met or contacted the plaintiff.

It has been and will continue to be an interesting journey...

Matt, thanks for posting the video, which made for remarkable watching. I'm pretty cynical about the American judicial system, but I certainly felt that the justices on the court were in tune with our First Amendment rights as I understand them.

If the court doesn't downright reverse or dramatically amend the restrictions of the original decision in your favor, I'll be stunned.

Congratulations to Oscar and Eugene Volokh for their crystal clear presentations of your case and for so competently defending the First Amendment.

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There are currently 6 albums of the ELI Oral Argument "Event" in Atlanta with the GA Supreme Court.

Preparing for Oral Argument the Night Before
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.735276303192788.1073741833.168381253215632&type=3

Oral Argument Day: Morning Meeting
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.735796193140799.1073741834.168381253215632&type=3

Oral Argument Day: Lunch Meeting
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.735798689807216.1073741835.168381253215632&type=3

Oral Argument Day: Immediately After
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.735815209805564.1073741836.168381253215632&type=3

Oral Argument Prep: Moot Court Monday
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.736253446428407.1073741838.168381253215632&type=3

Oral Argument Day: Outside the Georgia Supreme Court
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.736278673092551.1073741839.168381253215632&type=3

More photos and albums will be posted as we get and add them.

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The video for the oral argument of Chan v. Ellis from October 7, 2014 has been posted by the GA Supreme Court.

http://www.gasupreme.us/media/oa/100714-S14A1652.php

This video spotlights our own Oscar Michelen, UCLA Law Professor/First Amendment Legal Scholar Eugene Volokh, Linda Ellis' lawyer Elizabeth W. McBride, and Getty Images outside counsel (and prominent lawyer hack) Timothy B. McCormack.

If you watch the entire 40-minute video (20 minutes for each argument side), I think it is self-evident who did the better job represent their respective sides.

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UPDATE (October 16, 2014): Because the Georgia Supreme Court takes down oral argument videos after 30-45 days, I have taken steps to preserve the video and have it hosted elsewhere. You can find the entire, uninterrupted 41-minute oral argument video along with its 5 individual video segments here:

http://defiantly.net/chan-v-ellis-georgia-supreme-court-oral-argument-videos/

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Masterfile case and a dead defendant
« on: October 01, 2014, 06:10:36 AM »
In Masterfile v. Chaga, this long-running case represented by our own Oscar Michelen appears to have a legal complication. It appears that Masterfile is now dealing with the issue of a dead defendant (or one of them, I am not sure).

In a Motion to Vacate judgment filed September 29, 2014, that document appears to reveal that one of the defendants, Michael Tidd is "now deceased."

http://www.scribd.com/doc/241566734/Masterfile-v-Chaga-Motion-to-Vacate-Judgment

In a direct quote written by Masterfile lawyer, Steven Weinberg (or is that "Whine"berg?)

Defendants’ counsel Oscar Michelen has advised the undersigned counsel for Plaintiff that because of certain complications relating to the estate of Defendant Michael Tidd, now deceased, he lacks authority to stipulate to this Motion on behalf of the Defendants’, and will provide the Court with an explanation relating to this issue.

Apparently, the Masterfile v. Chaga case has become quite inconvenient for MasterFAIL. Masterfile tried the case an initially lost.  ON appeal, they "won".  But since then, a defendant dies along the way?  WTF.

It sounds like to me MasterFAIL is failing again spending money on legal fees only to get little or nothing.  Even when they win, they appear to lose AGAIN! Sounds like karma at work if you ask me.

What is next?

Does MasterFAIL plan on going after the "estate of Michael Tidd" (monies/assets going to Mr. Tidd's family)?

Let's all see how low MasterFAIL and Stevie "Whineberg" will go in this case. I am very interested in seeing how this all this turns out. I would really like to speak to any family members of Mr. Tidd regarding this situation and get their take on Masterfile as it relates to this unfortunate event in their lives.

I have to believe that Mr. Tidd died of health reasons or an accident, not this lawsuit.  However, what if the family came out and told the world that this Masterfile lawsuit indeed added stress and accelerated the death of Mr. Tidd, that would be stunning and spark outrage. Obviously, they would have to believe this is true and not just say it recklessly. But I believe any friends/family of Mr. Tidd who has any knowledge of this Masterfile lawsuit should speak out if the lawsuit, in any way, contributed to Mr. Tidd's premature demise.


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