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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Need an opinion on a letter I received.
« on: November 24, 2013, 06:24:46 PM »
That is valuable information. I will find the answers right now. Thanks!
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The picture that was posted was a candid celebrity photo. I have since looked deeper into it since I did not originally see the photo when it was posted. It appears that a bystander or paparazzi may have snapped the photo on the street during the filming of a TV show. It also has the smallest of small logos in the bottom right corner that belongs to one of the celebrity gossip blogs. When looking at the photo at the size it was posted on the page, the logo is unintelligible. I'm not trying to use that as an excuse, it's just an observation.
Pictures of people and especially can be more problematic, however celebs as a public figure can have their picture taken and used without a model release(from my understanding, look at all the gossip magazines with unflattering pictures). However, someone still holds rights to the picture and if there was an ownership stamp or logo on it then that should be a red flag.
Let me ask you this was the image actually uploaded to you page or was it just a hotlink, if it was just a hotlink then you should be okay. (See Perfect 10 v Google, Perfect 10 v Amazon cases which ruled hotlinking is not infringement).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_10,_Inc._v._Google_Inc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_10,_Inc._v._Amazon.com,_Inc.
Unfortunately, I allow users to upload files. The user did upload the file in this case. Also, I had seen those cases in my previous readings. It seems one would actually need to be an indexing service like Google for the same rule to apply. I have seen other instances where it seems someone has been in trouble for posting a photo that was hosted elsewhere because it was "framed" within his site.
I saw that someone had posted a link to the US Copyright website where you could check to see if things are registered. I haven't used their search before so I don't know how effectively I used the tool. I tried variations of related and direct keywords to the image in question. I don't think it has been registered but it's hard for me to tell. This is different from the Getty letters, so you think that aspect of it even matters?
The image does not have to be registered, copyright exists from the moment a picture is taken, proper registration allows the holder to ask for statutory damages rather then just actual damages http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statutory_damages_for_copyright_infringement
The issue with a lot of the Getty registrations are they are bulk registrations or registrations of entire collections with multiple artists. This may or may not apply here.
I figured that was what the answer would be. I'm aware of the copyright at time of creation rule. In the case of celebrity gossip sites, do you happen to know if they employ their own photographers or if they tend to purchase elsewhere? If so, does there need to be any official type of copyright transfer from photographer to source?
Is it acceptable for me to request the proof that others have requested from Getty in the past in this situation? I'm not saying to request it up front, I just mean if they do in fact contact me or send me a letter.
Absolutely, you want to see everything needed to justify whatever amount they are asking for.
I realize that anybody can be sued for anything. Is there any requirement to show any type of real proof before dragging somebody to court and requiring them to hire a lawyer and pay fees?
I tried finding the answer to this question, and I apologize if I missed it. I have seen that a URL and a screenshot do not make for proper evidence. What kind of evidence would they in fact need? Would they have to subpoena my web host for files and logs?
I am not a lawyer so I don't know the answer for sure to this, it is up to htem to prove you infringed. I do know there has been at least one case where it was rulled this type of evidence was not valid. The company sounds foreign but it was a US case called Telewizja Polska v. Echostar Satellite Corp
http://www.nyls.edu/documents/media_center/the_media_center_library_u_s_cases/1819.pdf
Theoretically, if this would go to court, would I basically be in trouble since the image did have a logo and was found on another site? I've been very confused on that point. It seems that anybody else on the web talking about copyright infringement pretty much says that is the end of the line for the argument. There is no fair use or journalistic use in that situation, it is simply copyright infringement.
Again, I can't say what a court will or will not do and for this kind of specific advice I think you would need to ask a copyright attorney but I would still play the waiting game and in the mean time continue to read and learn.
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