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Retired Forums => UK Getty Images Letter Forum => Topic started by: UKLawyer on September 22, 2014, 07:43:07 AM

Title: Getty Images Threat Letter UK Survival Service - copyright lawyer on a fixed fee
Post by: UKLawyer on September 22, 2014, 07:43:07 AM
This is to let UK Forum members know that I provide a fixed fee Getty Images Threat Letter UK Survival Service.  It costs hugely less than you would expect to get a professional lawyer to write to Getty Images for you and a lot less than Getty Images demand from you.   The fixed fee is 25% of what Getty demands with a minimum fixed fee.  This is not a big money-spinner, the fee is reasonable and it only works because it is set up to be very time efficient. 

If you need help, click here:

or Google "Getty Images Threat Letter UK Survival Service" and you will find my law blog where the service is explained.  I have helped many people.

Some years ago I was contacted by someone seeking help and turned them down as it would cost more to get advice than to pay up.  And that bothered me then and since.  So after later taking on a couple of cases I decided to offer a service like this.

It takes a lot more time to provide the service than it is worth to the average lawyer but I know these Getty Letters worry people a great deal so offer this service generally at well below normal cost semi-"pro bono" to help the "little people" who are threatened over just one image. 

And even if there are more images it also saves people in business a great deal of their time and worry and lets them get on with their business and do what they do best - earn a living.

In some [but not all cases] I may be able to provide the service to those in other EU countries.

The advantages over writing yourself are:

I have been an ELI forum member for some time and have seen how some of you are greatly worried and others angered by what Getty Images do.  I should be able to help you and you can help me by using the service.


If you read the post below from Matthew you will see Matthew is unhappy I am using his website to let people know of this service.  He considers it an "ingenuous and disrespectful post". 

He wrote that I wanted to "learn from us how to execute on a UK version of Oscar's Defense Letter Program".  I had already dealt with cases successfully in the UK. 

How to make it efficient for the general public was what I wanted to know but not getting any help from him I have instead established the "Getty Images Threat Letter UK Survival Service".  It works fine. 

Clearly, as he writes I "invite people to call ... and then you talk and sell them."  Whilst I do invite people to contact me to fix their problem, to keep things efficient it is necessary to avoid spending time on unnecessary communications.  There is no need for a "big sell".  The service is simple, quick, efficient and cost-effective, keeping time spent down, including on telephone calls.

And as anyone can see from the numbers of views of posts there are very few hits on this site from the UK.  The demand is limited but there is a need for the public service. 

For me it is great pleasure to be able to provide a cost-efficient public service and help people affected with the worry, stress and anxiety the Getty letters cause.
Title: Re: Getty Images Threat Letter UK Survival Service - copyright lawyer on a fixed fee
Post by: Matthew Chan on September 24, 2014, 01:22:37 PM
I find this to be an ingenuous and disrespectful post in light of your supposed history with ELI. You registered in December 2010 and made a total of 6 posts since then. 


3 of those 6 posts has to do with your efforts to learn from us how to execute on a UK version of Oscar's Defense Letter Program. The post I am now responding to makes a 4th post regarding your service. Your other two posts in the last 4 years were helping victims.

Now, nearly 4 years later, you come out of the blue with zero advance notice to me or Oscar and make this "marketing announcement" about your "UK survival service" and your alleged selling points and benefits (which by the way is nothing new to us. It is something we pioneered over 6 years ago and took the risk on back in 2008).

We have been open and transparent on how Oscar's Defense Letter Program program works and disclosing the prices for the service to letter victims since the very beginning. Yet, I see no prices in the link you provided. It appears you are setting prices on a case-by-case basis. You are certainly entitled to practice law however you want to but don't try to come here and try to convince the ELI community how great your service is or how innovative it might be.

Your post comes across as a marketing piece to invite people to call you and then you talk and sell them.

As far as I am concerned, because Oscar and I are Americans, we will have to concede that we aren't able to support anyone outside the U.S. the way we normally would.  No Canadian lawyer has shown any meaningful interest.  And no UK Lawyer has operated in a way we could endorse.  And honestly, I have no particular desire to try as it is now low priority for me. 

I will keep your post up for now but I reserve the right to take it down as I view your post as entirely an advertisement without permission. I have disabled your link. However, people can manually visit your website if they really want to.  You have not "earned" any goodwill on ELI based on your last 6 posts across nearly a 4 year period.
Title: Re: Getty Images Threat Letter UK Survival Service - copyright lawyer on a fixed fee
Post by: UKLawyer on September 24, 2014, 09:59:56 PM
Hi Matthew,

Thanks for your thoughts.  I contacted Oscar via this forum 4 years ago to find out how it might be possible to offer a real service to real people who get frightened witless by these letters from Getty.  I was annoyed having to turn away someone who came to me for help before you even started this forum and it bothered me.  I did not like what I saw then and I still don't. 

But in between everything else I took the time to think about how to make it work because it bothered me. I was bothered.  And in turn I bothered to work it out.

Oscar's set-up is different and there are huge differences between the UK and the US.  There is no big money-spinning situation.  There are no thousands of letters a week which Oscar is geared up to service.

I have also just revisited the exchanges from 4 years ago.  Communication did not work out.  You can see from the posts I went for the conference call option but it did not happen.  You also know communication is difficult and you wrote so - see below.

But the contact led to you establishing a UK letter forum here.

You wrote:
I have not yet spoke with anyone in the UK due to time constraints and the difficulty in scheduling (time zone differences). I may launch the UK Getty Forum before that happens and put out a disclaimer.

The links to all that are here:

and here:

Like you and Oscar I cannot spend a deal of time commenting here answering questions like an agony aunt.   

I also contacted you earlier this year by email.  You kindly replied and wrote:
The UK community is one we rarely engage or participate in because there appeared to be a pre-existing online community that already discussed and dealt with UK Getty when I got into it in 2008.  More importantly, neither Oscar or I are in a strong position to advocate for UK victims because we are Americans.  From what we can see, there does appear to be an informal support system and options for UK victims. It is hard for us to endorse or recommend anyone because of our unfamiliarity with anyone or customs in the UK.

We want to be "of service" if possible but we are hesitant to recommend or endorse anyone without knowing more about the mechanics, strategy, and other tactics/assumptions being utilized.

Last year, someone from the UK approached me to create some kind of relationship for the purpose of some kind of endorsement. I was willing to do so but other situations arose that were far more urgent.  And with the apparent challenge of communicating by phone due to time zone differences and scheduling, it all became too inconvenient so I never followed up.

As it stands, Oscar and I have more than enough dealing with Americans, Canadians, and the occasional Australian.

My sense of things in the UK is the activity is much less than when you started in 2008.  Things seem to have calmed down and slowed down but there are some people who still need help and don't know where to get it.

Some people will spend hours going it alone searching the web.  Others might turn to help from those who are not lawyers.  But there are some who are so stressed and anxious they need help from a copyright lawyer to take it over and deal with it for them but cannot find anyone.

It might be helpful to appreciate that an attorney over here is willing to offer a service even though it is not one that is particularly attractive financially to offer in the UK.

It is a true fixed fee service and there is a clear structure.  Folks know exactly what they are getting and what it costs.  I am not about to put all that up publicly.  People who really want and need the help can just contact me and they find out quickly what it is all about. 

So far so good.

You control and own this forum although you make it an open forum for anyone to post here.

If you want to shut this down on your forum that is your choice.   

A US attorney I know settled here years ago offering international services as a UK based US attorney.  There is a difference between those guys who sit in their offices for the people who need help to come to them and him - he goes out to where they are and meets them - he is there in the flesh making himself available.  The other guys are nowhere to be seen and it is a difference.  When someone mentions a law firm he says "Are they here?".

So I have come here and am offering this service after making it work for others. 

This is your forum.  You own it. You make it public for anyone to post on - even me.

So what do you want to do?  Shut down the contact on the part of the forum you set up for people in the UK? 

Like my US attorney friend, I made the effort to come here.  And you can see from what I say here that is true and it goes back 4 years.

And my posts on my law blog on Getty went up in 2011 after I drew a blank here in 2010.  You can see that from the dates on the comments.  So just because I have not spent the time on your forum after drawing a blank does not mean I have not been helping people. 

In hindsight maybe a PM to me before publishing your comment, would have been a positive welcoming gesture?

Matt, I hope that helps you understand a bit better.