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Re: Another Newby Masterfile
« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2012, 01:08:12 PM »
You all are just terrific!  I can't believe the amount of support you receive in this forum.  Amazing!  I should restate my previous statement.  "I removed all pictures from my media library"  I have no idea if this particular one was included.  I just deleted the whole entire library after this event.  I am not giving in to this!

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« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2012, 01:39:04 PM »
It's remarkable how quick the claim jumped from $2500 to $500. This is further evidence that the ELI site is closely followed by the coalition of trolls. Once they realize that you are on to them, it seems they are willing to suddenly offer an 80% discount to see if they can squeeze any juice out of their lemon.

It's also further validation that getting loud, being active, and staying unafraid to name, names is the best way to fight these monkeys.
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« Reply #17 on: December 11, 2012, 04:47:44 PM »
Agreed Jerry, this also should show that these trolls know that these images are not worth anything close to what they are asking for.  Imaging how long a store would stay in business if you were told that widget A is $2500 and you complain that you didn’t think it was worth that and to prove to me it's worth it and the salesman turns around and says “Okay, how about $500.

If you would be willing to share these letters I would like to add them to my packet of information I have on the trolls making my case they are practicing “Legalized Extortion” or if not here on the forums could you e-mail them to me and I will redact all of your personal information
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« Reply #18 on: December 12, 2012, 03:38:53 PM »
joee --
Ahh! That clarifies.

Well... if you only hotlinked, you own zero. Nothing. Nada. At least according to precedent in the 9th circuit.

Admittedly, they could potentially hope to a different circuit court to disagree with the 9th (it's been known to happen!). They could hope to get the Supreme Court to rule differently from the 9th circuit. But there is no way they are going to pick you to try to fight a case involving 1 image to the US Supreme Court -- especially since they might find Google jumping in to file amicus briefs on your behalf! 

Your only potential worry is  if you have any doubt that you might have hosted the image on your server,  and it turns out you did host it on the server, they could potentially have evidence you did so. If they went to court, they would need this evidence.  But the screenshot of web pages they typically include in their extortion letter  is not evidence to rebut your statement that you hotlinked. At a minimum, they would need to supply *html*. 

As far as I am aware, Getty has not supplied html of those pages to anyone who has discussed the issue at this forum.

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« Reply #19 on: December 12, 2012, 04:05:20 PM »
For what it's worth, from the get-go in response to my first letter from Getty, I requested html verification.

The same request went to copyright troll and collection agent Timothy B. McCormack and his paralegal Ashanti A. Taylor when they tripled Getty's original "settlement demand."

Both Getty and McCormack refused to address html verification, which is just one of the many points I will make in a declaratory judgment should one of these copyright trolling goons ever contact me again.

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« Reply #20 on: December 12, 2012, 05:03:10 PM »
For what it's worth, from the get-go in response to my first letter from Getty, I requested html verification.

The same request went to copyright troll and collection agent Timothy B. McCormack and his paralegal Ashanti A. Taylor when they tripled Getty's original "settlement demand."

Both Getty and McCormack refused to address html verification, which is just one of the many points I will make in a declaratory judgment should one of these copyright trolling goons ever contact me again.

Here ya go Mulligan
http://www.scribd.com/doc/104557879/Getty-Images-Attorney-General-Complaint-13

I don't know the outcome of this, bu t we can probaly find out without to much effort...
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« Reply #21 on: December 12, 2012, 08:51:55 PM »
I will look into this and find out what I can as I was not aware of this and I like what Avepoint did.  I like it a lot, give me ideas (insert evil grin emoticon here)

For what it's worth, from the get-go in response to my first letter from Getty, I requested html verification.

The same request went to copyright troll and collection agent Timothy B. McCormack and his paralegal Ashanti A. Taylor when they tripled Getty's original "settlement demand."

Both Getty and McCormack refused to address html verification, which is just one of the many points I will make in a declaratory judgment should one of these copyright trolling goons ever contact me again.

Here ya go Mulligan
http://www.scribd.com/doc/104557879/Getty-Images-Attorney-General-Complaint-13

I don't know the outcome of this, bu t we can probaly find out without to much effort...
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« Reply #22 on: December 12, 2012, 08:53:08 PM »
Robert, thanks. I recall reading that when you or Matt first added it to the ELI collection. I would be interested in knowing the outcome myself.

I've turned to the declaratory judgment option after reading how successful the folks at Tabberone.com have been using that strategy to fend off large companies that have tried to stop their eBay auctions. You can read a sample of the suit they filed that caused Disney (!) to capitulate at:

http://www.tabberone.com/Trademarks/DisneyLawsuit/ourlawsuit/complaint.html

The entire story of Tabberone vs Disney is at

http://www.tabberone.com/Trademarks/DisneyLawsuit/DisneyLawsuit.shtml

Fascinating reading at both urls.

Greg, you'll love reading the above. :)

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« Reply #23 on: December 12, 2012, 09:00:41 PM »
I have read those and actually keep a link to it in my folder of cases I like and can use in my fight.  I recommend it to everyone, thanks for sharing the link Mulligan!

Robert, thanks. I recall reading that when you or Matt first added it to the ELI collection. I would be interested in knowing the outcome myself.

I've turned to the declaratory judgment option after reading how successful the folks at Tabberone.com have been using that strategy to fend off large companies that have tried to stop their eBay auctions. You can read a sample of the suit they filed that caused Disney (!) to capitulate at:

http://www.tabberone.com/Trademarks/DisneyLawsuit/ourlawsuit/complaint.html

The entire story of Tabberone vs Disney is at

http://www.tabberone.com/Trademarks/DisneyLawsuit/DisneyLawsuit.shtml

Fascinating reading at both urls.

Greg, you'll love reading the above. :)
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« Reply #24 on: December 12, 2012, 09:05:05 PM »
I would imagine the avepoint stuff would be in Pacer....Greg if you don't get it I'll go for a look tomorrow...been trying to stay away from pace..I tend to wander to much in there and it gets costly...
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« Reply #25 on: December 12, 2012, 09:26:56 PM »
Looks like Avepoint dropped the case, don't know why. That's the part that always bugs me; I wish it would state the reason so I could know if Getty settled with them out of court or what.

http://www.scribd.com/my_document_collections/4041517


Thanks Robert, it was an easy find in PACER.  I was uploading to SCRIBD when you replied.  I know what you mean, you type in what you are looking for and you get other hits that look interesting, $0.10 a page can add up fast considering the size of some of these documents.  Got to love PACER though....just sayin :)

I would imagine the avepoint stuff would be in Pacer....Greg if you don't get it I'll go for a look tomorrow...been trying to stay away from pace..I tend to wander to much in there and it gets costly...
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« Reply #26 on: December 13, 2012, 12:32:00 PM »
Do I vaguely recall Oscar mentioning last year that he heard that Getty had settled out of court on this matter, but that he didn't know the details?

Edit: The Mulligan Memory is not totally brain dead after all! On doing a little backtracking I found Oscar's comment made on November 5, 2011, and here it is...

This lawsuit is interesting and something I have discussed on this forum previously.  It is a declaratory judgment action asking the court to find that the plaintiff's use of the image is NOT an infringement of Getty's copyright. Normally this type of action is brought by a counterclaim in a copyright infringement suit, but it can be used offensively as this one is.  One example of this type of case which we have discussed extensively here is Bernina v. imageline where Bernina successfully sued to have a court state that they did not infringe on Imageline's copyrights. I have emailed the plaintiff's lawyer in this case to get information on what happened in the case. The court file indicates it was dismissed voluntarily by the plaintiff on 11-2-11 before Getty even answered which is usually an indication of a settlement. I have long looked for but never found a client willing to pay the $350 to file a federal lawsuit plus legal fees who also had a valid license or claim over the images.
 I hope that there isn't too tight a confidentiality agreement on any settlement so that the lawyer can pass on some info (which I can then pass on to this forum)

... found in the thread at http://www.extortionletterinfo.com/forum/getty-images-letter-forum/avepoint-inc-v-getty-images/msg3602/#msg3602

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The suit was filed on 9/6/11 and dismissed on 11/2/2011. So something happened very quickly, and I'd put my money on Getty forking over some money to get a tight confidentiality agreement.

If I ever have to go the declaratory judgment route with Getty and that copyright troll and collection agent Timothy B. McCormack and his paralegal Ashanti A. Taylor of Seattle, you can be sure when they come asking to make this suit go away that I'm going to request my $350 back for having to file, $830 for Getty's original demand, $2400 for McCormack's absurd increased demand, and $29,500 for 100 billable hours at $295 an hour for per se research and amateur lawyering.

By the way, if they wanted a signed confidentiality agreement, too, that'll cost an extra $1,000,000.

For me, making the whole thing public would be the most important part of giving these goons a taste of what they've been doing for far too many years to so many innocent people. There isn't enough money in the entire U.S., in my opinion, to make up for the angst, nervous worry, anxiety, and God knows what other levels of horrible stress these trolls cause to fellow human beings over bullshit thumbnail images that they don't even in most cases have a legal right to demand money for.

Boy, even after this much time I can still stoke up an angry fire over the wrongness of what these people are getting away with their nasty schemes.
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« Reply #27 on: December 13, 2012, 01:58:11 PM »
Well said, Mulligan.

 

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