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>>This post was hidden as a result of Julie Stewart's DMCA complaint. Consequently, we issued a DMCA counter-notification letter and we are now fully authorized to restore/unhide it for full public reading by Eapps.com<<

Just when I thought I would have a quiet Sunday, comes an email letter from Canadian Lawyer Julie Stewart of Blackline Law. She and Hawaiian Art Network apparently are not happy that one of our community members submitted a copy of their Demand Letter to us to openly share. It appears they prefer to do this in secrecy.

Words like defamation, libel, and slander are being tossed around again.  (Brrr....)  Remember the whole John McDougall and Steven Weinberg incident? If not, read this post to get up to speed.  

http://www.extortionletterinfo.com/forum/index.php/topic,2138.0.html

I am wondering if Julie Stewart had read the McDougall / Weinberg post first, would she have even bothered sending Oscar and I the email she did.

I have highlighted some interesting sections as emphasis.  She does her share of name-calling if you ask me.

Her original post was actually relatively obscure and had relatively little traffic and readership. I suspect that will now change.  

http://www.extortionletterinfo.com/forum/index.php/topic,2303.msg3487.html#msg3487

Read her letter and share your thoughts.  My response to her will be posted below.

-------- Original Message --------
Subject:    URGENT - defamatory content on your website
Date:    Sun, 13 Nov 2011 11:28:28 -0500
From:    [email protected]
To:    oscarmichelen
CC:    matthewchan

Mr. Michelen and Mr. Chan,

I am a Canadian lawyer who recently represented a professional fine-art
photographer and his agent in a copyright infringement claim.  The
infringing party was a for-profit corporation that used my clients' images
without purchasing a license.  The cease and desist/ settlement demand
letter has been posted in various places associated with your website with
the suggestion that it is an 'extortion letter' and publicizes my name as
well as my client’s name.  I have reported it as prohibited content to
facebook and Scribd, both in respect of slander, defamation and libel AND
copyright infringement.

Please confirm that this letter and all references to it will be removed
from your website and any associated sites (facebook, Scribd, Twitter,
etc.) immediately along with any reference to my name, my business name
and my clients' name.

My clients' images are high-quality professional-grade photographs created
for professional use.  Companies looking for professional-grade images
purchase licenses from my client. Professional-grade images come with a
price tag because they often cost the photographer money to produce.  I
work with many photographers, and they can spend hundreds, sometimes
thousands of dollars, to create their work (i.e., purchasing equipment,
paying models, etc.)

While I completely understand that it can be upsetting to receive a cease
and desist/ settlement demand letter, please also understand that it is
equally upsetting to the photographers to find that for-profit companies
are using their images without paying for them.  It is theft, plain and
simple.  Yes, it is upsetting to be on the wrong side of the law.


Under Canadian law, even if an infringer's use of an image was innocent,
the infringement subjects them to liability for damages plus the costs of
proceeding against them. To prove innocent infringement, you would have to
show that you had no reasonable grounds for believing you had infringed –
a defence rarely accepted by the courts, and difficult to establish for
commercial websites.

Nevertheless, my clients' settlement demands are calculated to assume that
infringement is innocent and only include the likely award for damages
(the catalogue license price for the size, length and type of use in
question) plus the costs of pursuing the claim, including legal fees.  In
fact, the settlement demand is often significantly lower than the minimum
that a court would award as damages for innocent infringement.

There is nothing 'extortionist' about requiring the owner of a for-profit
commercial website to pay a license fee to a photographer who earns his
living from his work.  It is entirely in line with Canadian copyright
infringement law, as it ought to be.  My clients are committed to
amicable, fair settlement and simply want to get paid for their work as
anyone else does.

Thank you for your immediate attention to this matter.  I hope that we can
resolve this quickly and without me and my clients having to pursue
further action.

Julie

Julie Stewart
Lawyer, Blackline Art + Entertainment Law
T: 1-(416)-628-8364
F: 1-(416)-628-8364
www.blacklinelaw.ca
« Last Edit: December 16, 2011, 08:33:37 PM by Matthew Chan »
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Re: ELI Contacted by Canadian Attorney Julie Stewart of Blackline Law
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2011, 05:15:28 PM »
This was my email response to Julie Stewart. The letter speaks for itself to all concerned.

-------- Original Message --------
Subject:    Re: URGENT - defamatory content on your website
Date:    Sun, 13 Nov 2011 16:54:57 -0500
From:    * Matthew Chan *
To:    [email protected]
CC:    Oscar Michelen

Hello Julie,

I am surprised that our small posts have caught your attention and that
you have taken the time to send us an email on a Sunday morning. Here in
the U.S., it is a 3-day holiday weekend. You appear to be very diligent
working for yourself or your client, Hawaiian Art, during the weekend.
In any case, I will respond to your concerns of your email.

As you know by now, ExtortionLetterInfo.com was created to report and
serve as a communication outlet and educational resource for those
people who wish to discuss and share their experiences and be informed
about Stock Photo Industry Settlement Demand Letters. We colloquially
call those letters, "extortion letters". While you may disagree with it,
you will find we equally apply this term to everyone issuing settlement
demand letters. You and Hawaiian Art are not being singled out. In fact,
thus far, we consider you and your client relatively minor players thus
far as Getty Images is, by far, the "biggest elephant" in the business.

The reason settlement demand letters are colloquially called "extortion
letters" is because it because it illustrates an ongoing campaign by the
stock photo industry to take advantage of end-user ignorance of
copyright law and legal process to "compel", "motivate", "incentivize"
letter recipients into making payments. As much as we find these letters
distasteful, we do recognize it as being legal. We regard the whole
letter campaign as "legalized extortion" because it is very much an
uneven playing field.

Just as your client (Hawaiian Art) has a legal right (through your
assistance) to pursue alleged infringers with settlement demand letters,
those alleged infringers have a right to be assisted and openly
communicate with any entities that would assist them. Settlement Demand
Letter recipients are free to share their information with us either
privately or in an open forum. We, in turn, can accurately share
information with or without permission. As a general rule, we work with
our community members and have their full support and consent to share
information we do have. As much as you and Hawaiian Art may prefer to
communicate quietly behind the scenes, we have a right to report the
information as long as it is accurate.

As you requested, I have gone back to re-evaluate specific posts
regarding you and Hawaiian Art:

1. Regarding Scribd, there is/was no reference to the copy of your
letter as "extortion letter". It is being called the "Blackline
Settlement Demand Letter" in which Hawaiian Art is being referred to
within the letter. It is a legal document which feel is totally
appropriate to the sharing forum Scribd provides. You, of course, have a
right to contest this with Scribd.

2. The Twitter post in question cannot be edited. As such, I deleted it
altogether because you objected to the phrase "extortion letter" as it
relates to your name. While we feel it is EVERYONE's right to openly use
that term, we will in the future endeavor to refer to such letters as
"settlement demand letters" simply out of professional courtesy.
However, you should know through the DMCA, we cannot be held responsible
for language used by our community members who may still refer to
Settlement Demand Letters as "Extortion Letters".

3. The Facebook post in question could not be edited and was deleted for
the same reasons as Point #2.

4. Last, but not least, the original forum post announcing your letter
has been amended to "Settlement Demand Letter" replacing the previous
term "extortion letter". Again, this was done as a professional courtesy
but the thread of discussion will remain.

Regarding your accusations of slander, defamation, libel, and copyright
infringement, I question whether you truly are a knowledgeable lawyer in
the areas you are accusing or if this is just a heavy-handed tactic in
attempt to test our legal sensibilities. Quite frankly, I believe the
latter is the case. I cannot honestly believe you know so little about
slander, defamation, and libel. I cannot speak for Oscar but here are my
replies:

A. Regarding defamation, you have to prove what is being said is false.
It is quite questionable whether the minimum level of qualification for
defamation even exists. In the context of the entire existence and
premise of ExtortionLetterInfo.com, which we colloquially use the term
"extortion letter" in exchange and in lieu of "settlement demand
letter", you may find that term distasteful but it is not false. There
was no attack on you or your personal character. In fact, we know very
little about you aside from the bio on your website and your letter.
Even our community members have not had much to say about you or your
practice as you are still a relatively unknown entity.

B. Regarding slander, that generally refers to oral / spoken statements.
Quite frankly, there have been ZERO oral/spoken statements about you of
any kind. So the accusation of slander is outright ridiculous. Until
this email, you barely registered in our consciousness much less being
spoken about in ANY capacity much less in a way that is damaging to your
or your character.

C. Regard libel, that refers to written form. Again, does the minimum
level of qualification for libel even exist? Does 3 small posts
(consisting of at most two sentences) referring to your settlement
demand letter even remotely qualify or meet the minimum threshold of
falsehood and damaging? It's a blip. Refer to Point #A in whether the
term "extortion letter" even qualifies as false. I do not think it is
any worse than the statement you made in your email

"It is theft, plain and simple.  Yes, it is upsetting to be on the wrong side of the law."

If you ask me, that is pretty inflammatory for a person in your
profession. I wonder how letter recipients would react to you calling
them "thieves" and being "on the wrong side of the law". I suppose it
might be similar to the way you seem to be offended as being thought of
as an "extortionist". (Incidentally, that word almost never is used on a
personal level to anyone.) Let us also remember this is a civil matter,
not a criminal matter. I don't think you are a judge qualified to say
who is on "wrong side"? There are simply opposing sides of the argument.

D. Regarding copyright infringement, what are you referring to? They
copy of your demand letter? Your letter is being used as a method of
direct communication to an alleged infringer. Are you going to sue
everyone who made a photocopy of the letter for the purpose of
information sharing or defending the case? If you wanted copyright
protection for that letter, maybe you should print it in some
publication and not actually use it as an instrument of legal communication.

Before I close this letter, you may want to advise future clients that
trying to squash Internet communications is a futile effort and only
makes them look bad. If they are too embarrassed or dislike the negative
attention associated with the demand letters, maybe they should revisit
how they approach the matter. People are going to talk and fight back,
not willingly roll over and succumb to outrageous settlement amounts.

In closing, I have acknowledged your concerns and made minor corrective
changes as mentioned above as a matter of professional courtesy. We have
made no factual errors that we can find. As far as I am concerned this
matter is now resolved and closed.

Respectfully,

Matthew Chan
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Re: ELI Contacted by Canadian Attorney Julie Stewart of Blackline Law
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2011, 06:32:14 PM »
looks like some feathers got ruffled...

"immediately along with any reference to my name, my business name
and my clients' name.
"

Isn't all of this public information anyway??

Most questions have already been addressed in the forums, get yourself educated before making decisions.

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« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2011, 06:35:20 PM »
Interesting stuff, Matthew.

It's of note how some of these lawyers want the details of these letters to remain in the shadows, while also "getting their name out there".

The reason that many of these letters are referred to as "extortion letters" is because they deliberately mislead the recipient.
That's also why some lawyers don't want the general public to see them.

I also agree that it's not "theft", which I've mentioned before.
"Theft" is a criminal statute/code.  Copyright infringements are of a civil nature as you mentioned.
Use of the word "theft" is quite misleading.  In addition, "theft" also implies that the "original" article has gone missing, not simply copied.

But hey, if the professional copyright trolls want to get their name out there by writing extortion letters to the owners of the forum (threatening libel, etc.), I'm sure that it's cheaper than professional marketing efforts to get business.  It's just not very effective.

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Re: ELI Contacted by Canadian Attorney Julie Stewart of Blackline Law
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2011, 06:49:21 PM »
Apparently, not public in as it relates to revealing one of her clients and her name and business is associated with the negative aspects of the demand letter operation.

As she has been fully informed, she is fully within her rights to make her arguments for her client. But don't think that everyone will fall into line the way she wants it.

Lawyers are not totally immune from the cases they choose to take on.  They are part of the process and accountable for their part.

We simply assist in making this a more open process and to equalize the defense position.


looks like some feathers got ruffled...

"immediately along with any reference to my name, my business name
and my clients' name.
"

Isn't all of this public information anyway??


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Re: ELI Contacted by Canadian Attorney Julie Stewart of Blackline Law
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2011, 06:54:11 PM »
Legal ignorance works to THEIR favor which is why so many letter recipients rollover.  The stock photo companies can be heavy-handed but education and open information is a HUGE equalizer.  They like the secrecy and one-on-one fight because they think they are bigger.

ELI helps affect a game-change by letting people know they aren't alone and it is a boiler-plate operation designed for revenue generation. Revealing the players and their tools and tactics is very important.

Matthew

It's of note how some of these lawyers want the details of these letters to remain in the shadows, while also "getting their name out there".

The reason that many of these letters are referred to as "extortion letters" is because they deliberately mislead the recipient.
That's also why some lawyers don't want the general public to see them.

But hey, if the professional copyright trolls want to get their name out there by writing extortion letters to the owners of the forum (threatening libel, etc.), I'm sure that it's cheaper than professional marketing efforts to get business.  It's just not very effective.

S.G.
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Re: ELI Contacted by Canadian Attorney Julie Stewart of Blackline Law
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2011, 08:30:05 PM »
Read Oscar Michelen's reply to Julie Stewart of Blackline Law.  Lots of great points being made.

I have to say that Oscar's reply cuts like a knife on so many levels.  Generally speaking, I feel that I am the more aggressive on when I communicate online. But I think I can safely say this time around, that Oscar put a real hammer to Julie in his own inimitable but direct way.

I will be surprised if Julie Stewart wants to pursue this matter further. It would not be wise for her and would only make her and Hawaiian Art Network look worse than if they had left it alone.

Matthew

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Oscar's reply removed at his request.
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« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2011, 08:45:06 PM »
Matt, Oscar, you guys rock! I wish to thank you both for taking time out of your weekend to address this.. I can't help but have the feeling you won't be hearing from her again..
Most questions have already been addressed in the forums, get yourself educated before making decisions.

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« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2011, 09:51:03 PM »
If she had a more reasonable argument or request, she would have gotten more respect from us.

But it is clear by our separate responses, that neither Oscar or I like being treated like we are idiots claiming defamation, libel, and slander. It was just plain outrageous and nowhere to being close to qualifying.  I would have had more respect for her if she had asked me to revise her entry from "extortion letter" to "settlement demand letter". I would not have gone to the trouble of writing everything I ultimately did.

When I read her email, I thought to myself "here we go again". I think Oscar thought the same thing and that is why he took the time to really lay out the whole use of "extortion" term and its legitimate use which was priceless. And make no mistake, if you want to accuse ELI of something, you better have your ducks in a row.

And the whole thing with contacting Twitter, Facebook, Scribd, and the like? I solved her problem by deleting those posts and put out more interesting content to read than her boiler-plate letter.

Matthew

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« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2011, 11:08:44 PM »
Yes, thanks to Oscar and Matt.

We can really see what's happening here.

Some lawyers involved in these demand letter schemes are distorting the truth of what copyright infringement really is in legal terms (i.e. it's not a criminal act of theft).
The response from MF in the past re: John MacDougall, and now Ms. Stewart remind me a bit of how The Church of Scientology acts in response to the reporting of their activities.
Some lawyers are attempting to hide the facts about what's happening, and are attempting to quash discussion about specific cases and issues.
This won't be allowed to happen.

Additionally, some lawyers seem to be trying quite desperately to convince people that they have some sort of (international?) judicial powers that they clearly do not have.
Not many people are buying it, I'm sure.

I can't imagine how many trees have been killed to make paper to print up so many of these bullshit letters and claims.

S.G.





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Re: ELI Contacted by Canadian Attorney Julie Stewart of Blackline Law
« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2011, 04:03:31 AM »
Check out Ms Stewart's bio here:
http://www.ccij.ca/nuit-blanche/

Ready for some irony? This is my favorite part: Julie "has a passionate interest in the use of the 'image' as a tool for justice."

Yet she objects to the image of a reproduction of her extortio.. err... Demand Letter on a site that discusses the tactics the stock industry and their lawyers use to squeeze money out of innocent infringers? Wow.
Although I may be a super-genius, I am not a lawyer. So take my scribblings for what they are worth and get a real lawyer for real legal advice. But if you want media and design advice, please visit Motion City at http://motioncity.com.

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« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2011, 08:52:28 AM »
Here's mS Julie's Resume...so we now have a musician and a film-maker..

"Background as an independent documentary filmmaker. Articulate, persuasive bilingual writer.
Practical experience in legal research and advanced training in navigating legal databases."

 ;D I think the researching abilities could use a little honing..

http://clients.triggersandsparks.com/resumes/julie_stewart.pdf
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« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2011, 09:03:26 AM »
hmmmm it would appear that photographer V.K. Tylor also likes to share his images on FREE wall paper sights, complete with a download button.. Most folks would see this as free to use, as most wouldn't know to or go thru the process of actually reading the terms..

http://www.webshots.com/pro/category/artist-vincent-khoury-tylor/nature-oceans
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« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2011, 11:56:08 AM »
Wow, very nice find. What a sleuth you are.  Good job.

This is a more accurate representation than the online bio on her site.

Matthew

Here's mS Julie's Resume...so we now have a musician and a film-maker..

"Background as an independent documentary filmmaker. Articulate, persuasive bilingual writer.
Practical experience in legal research and advanced training in navigating legal databases."

 ;D I think the researching abilities could use a little honing..

http://clients.triggersandsparks.com/resumes/julie_stewart.pdf
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