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Getty HAS filed a Complaint
« on: March 06, 2009, 05:58:52 PM »
FYI - Getty Images has filed a complaint.  Has anyone else been served?

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Re: Getty HAS filed a Complaint
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2009, 06:17:41 PM »
I am glad you posted this as I was planning on updating the website with this info this weekend. I have found about a dozen or so instances of Getty filing complaints.  Some date back to 2005, some as recently as the end of 2008. All of them involve sites that used more than 20 or so images. Interestingly, from the ones that I found, it seems that no defendant ever really contested the issue.  They either settled right away or they defaulted.  I contacted one lawyer who represented a small bank in Long Island who had been sued. Form my discussion with him, it seemed the bank just wanted to get the case over with so he settled.  He recognized that he had some valid defenses that could have been raised -particularly on the issue of damages - but the bank was not interested in a drawn out court case so he got the best number he could get from Getty and he settled.

I have found the same result with Masterfile -which sues much more frequently than Getty.

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Re: Getty HAS filed a Complaint
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2009, 06:37:48 PM »
Oscar, thank you for your response. I am also trying to reach you via telephone to discuss this further. Since I am under a time frame to respond to the complaint I will post some questions for you here.

1. have you ever sued or countersued Getty in any of these instances?
2. if so, how many? did you win, lose or settle?
3. if you did win/loose/settle how much did this cost your client?
4. is there a precedent with any case which is similar?
5. what are the phases when one gets served....file extension, respond, etc...and how much will each phase cost?
6. are you familiar with any Getty cases where they have been in federal court and what were the outcomes?
7. if the date for the copyright on the images is 2 years AFTER Getty made contact with their letter (this being documented) is that legal for them to file a complaint in federal court, since they did not actually have a copyright on the images when the letter they sent stated they did?
8. do you feel a class action lawsuit is viable?

I look forward to your responses. feel free to contact me as well to discuss this matter.

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Re: Getty HAS filed a Complaint
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2009, 06:19:26 PM »
Editor's note: Oscar's responses are in italics.

1. have you ever sued or countersued Getty in any of these instances?

No, Getty has never sued any of my clients.  They have only filed about a dozen or so lawsuits over this issue.

2. if so, how many? did you win, lose or settle?

While I have not personally been involved in any Getty litigation yet, I have looked at about 12 cases or so that have been filed.  All of them ended very quickly.  Either Getty entered a default because the defendant never answered the complaint or the case was settled before an answer was even submitted.  In all of the actions, it appears that the defendant had allegedly used more than 20 images.  

3. if you did win/loose/settle how much did this cost your client?

Getty has had different settlement figures depending on the case.  We look at each case on its own and if the client wants to settle we attempt to settle.  We are currentlyin settlemetn negotiations with them on a variety of cases.  

4. is there a precedent with any case which is similar?

Not really.Understand that in NY, a federal court only recognized this "retroactive license fee" idea as an element of actual damages in 2001.  It was not approved of before then, so there has not been a lot of litigation on it. I have not found and Getty has not shown me any case they litigated to conclusion.  I have run my legal position by qualified IP litigators who agree with me on this that the damages would be closer to what I claim they should be than what Getty claims they should be. If you look at the lawsuits brought by the RIAA over downloading songs illegally you will see that the Federal Courts did not support the RIAA's damages claims and reduced almost many cases to the $200 minimum. In my opinion, if that happened in cases of intellectual property that everybody knew is copyrighted (songs) then how could it not happen in cases where most people would never know the work (images) were copyrighted?

5. what are the phases when one gets served....file extension, respond, etc...and how much will each phase cost?

If litigation is commenced in NY (where Getty has brought most of its claims), I will reduce my hourly fee to $150 and ask for a 6 hour retainer ($900) That should get you to the point of an answer and a settlement conference with the court where hopefully it will be resolved.  If not, I plan to file a motion to address the damages issue immediately which would likely take another four hours. I have contacted a qualified IP litigator in Seattle who has agreed to work under the same fee structure if Getty sues in Seattle (its HQ)  

6. are you familiar with any Getty cases where they have been in federal court and what were the outcomes?

See my prior responses.

7. if the date for the copyright on the images is 2 years AFTER Getty made contact with their letter (this being documented) is that legal for them to file a complaint in federal court, since they did not actually have a copyright on the images when the letter they sent stated they did?

You cannot file a Federal Copyright lawsuit UNLESS and UNTIL you have registered the images so it is not unusual for a claim to be brought for work that was registered after the infringement occurred. There is nothing wrong with that.  If the infringement occurred at a time when the images were not registered, then Getty woul donly be able to claim ACTUAL and not STATUTORY damages.  See my post on a summary of the Getty Issue for more info on this.

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Re: Getty HAS filed a Complaint
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2009, 06:32:05 PM »
what number should i call you on.  i called the one listed on the website and left a message the other day. thank you.

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Re: Getty HAS filed a Complaint
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2009, 06:40:23 PM »
also, if one is out of state do they need to be present?  and is a change of venue recommended?

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Re: Getty HAS filed a Complaint
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2009, 06:10:59 PM »
No and Yes

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Re: Getty HAS filed a Complaint
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2009, 02:33:30 AM »
never mind got my answer from another page

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Re: Getty HAS filed a Complaint
« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2009, 04:41:30 PM »
Roboboogie,

There are never any guarantees in any case when you go to court.  Each side faces uncertainty as to the outcome.  There are no "sure things" only a "good chance" at best.  That is often why it is best to settle when possible. It often comes down to your willingness to fight and/or face the possible consequences if you lose.

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Re: Getty HAS filed a Complaint
« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2009, 05:55:41 PM »
Did I miss something?  What was roboboogies question?

 

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