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Getty Images Extortion Letter with Sales Tax
« on: June 12, 2012, 08:16:58 PM »
As if getting a Getty Images Extortion Letter isn't bad enough, we have just come across an extortion letter amount that adds an additional 8.25% sales tax in Texas!

http://www.scribd.com/doc/96889482/Getty-Images-Settlement-Demand-Letter-with-Sales-Tax-2012

The problem I have with this is that this is supposed to be a legal "settlement", not a "sale". Only legitimate sales are supposed to be taxed.  How can legal settlements be taxed?  I wonder how many extortion letters have sales taxes tacked on to the extortion amount. Which states are getting sales tax added to the extortion letter amount?  Is it selective states or all 50 states? How does this correlate to the actual physical presences Getty Images has in each state? We need to keep our ear to the ground.

This very fishy to me. It's not a sale but they still want to take on a extra percentage of sales tax. But it does further support the notion that Getty Images regard this as "sales revenue", not loss recovery as is typical with most collection efforts.
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Re: Getty Images Extortion Letter with Sales Tax
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2012, 08:32:07 PM »
Well their site does not include a location in Texas. I bet the State AG of both Texas and Washington would like to hear about this..sales tax on a "CLAIM"...I guess we'll never see it all!
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Re: Getty Images Extortion Letter with Sales Tax
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2012, 08:36:05 PM »
Ya...are you kidding me with the sales tax?

I just looked up the artist's name at the Copyright Office. There is only ONE listing for this photographer and it's not the image shown. (nothing new) Not even a "Visual Aid"!

Carl Warner's Food Landscapes.  TX0007296761  2010 

Also....$1225.00 for ONE image??? Plaaaaeeeez!

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Re: Getty Images Extortion Letter with Sales Tax
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2012, 08:41:31 PM »
uh-oh, I think someone is peeved!! Nice research Lucy! That pretty much shots this one in the foot!

Ya...are you kidding me with the sales tax?

I just looked up the artists name at the Copyright Office. There is only ONE listing for this photographer and it's not the image shown. (nothing new)

Also....$1225.00 for ONE image??? Plaaaaeeeez!

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Re: Getty Images Extortion Letter with Sales Tax
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2012, 09:05:09 PM »
I recall that more than one forum contributor has mentioned this previously.
I especially recall a couple of demands in EU wherein a VAT tax demanded.
So, I think that they've been trying this out for a while.
What a bunch of crooked assholes.

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Re: Getty Images Extortion Letter with Sales Tax
« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2012, 09:09:12 PM »
Now that SG mentions t,I too remember seeing the VAT on letters from overseas.
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Re: Getty Images Extortion Letter with Sales Tax
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2012, 02:10:01 AM »
Maybe "someone" (RK?) could call Texas Comptroller's office and find out if Getty Images actually pays in sales tax. Or see if Getty Images has a Certificate of Good Standing in regards to state tax collections.  Is Getty Images, in fact, truly collecting sales tax or not?

http://www.window.state.tx.us/taxinfo/fieldtoll.html

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Re: Getty Images Extortion Letter with Sales Tax
« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2012, 06:42:36 AM »
Lets not be subtle here or anything...

Maybe "someone" (RK?) could call Texas Comptroller's office and find out if Getty Images actually pays in sales tax. Or see if Getty Images has a Certificate of Good Standing in regards to state tax collections.  Is Getty Images, in fact, truly collecting sales tax or not?

http://www.window.state.tx.us/taxinfo/fieldtoll.html
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Re: Getty Images Extortion Letter with Sales Tax
« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2012, 09:03:37 AM »
If Getty is collecting the tax and not paying it to the state, that can be in for some TROUBLE!

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Re: Getty Images Extortion Letter with Sales Tax
« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2012, 07:42:32 PM »
I'm going to try to give Texas a call tomorrow and ask a few questions,will report back promptly..
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Re: Getty Images Extortion Letter with Sales Tax
« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2012, 07:57:45 PM »
Stinger is absolutely correct. Collecting sales tax and failing to file and pay it to the state would be fraudulent and the state of Texas probably would vigorously disapprove.

As for the logic behind collecting the sales tax as part of the the claim, one would have to look at the specific law in that state since sales tax mechanisms vary widely from state to state. Some states have no sales tax at all, some have brutal sales tax rules. Here's what Texas has to say about their system:

1. Who is required to hold a Texas sales and use tax permit?
You must obtain a Texas sales and use tax permit if you are engaged in business in Texas and you:
• sell tangible personal property in Texas;
• lease tangible personal property in Texas; or
• sell taxable services in Texas.
Please see Rule 3.286 and publication 96-259 Taxable Services (PDF, 1.2MB) for more information.
The requirement to obtain a Texas sales and use tax permit applies to individuals as well as corporations, firms, partnerships, and all other legal entities.

2. What is tangible personal property?
The statutory definition for "tangible personal property" is "personal property that can be seen, weighed, measured, felt, or touched or that is perceptible to the senses." See Sec. 151.009.

3. What is engaged in business?
A person or a retailer is engaged in business in Texas if any of the following criteria are met:
(A) maintains, occupies, or uses an office, place of distribution, sales or sample room, warehouse or storage place, or other place of business;
(B) has any representative, agent, salesperson, canvasser, or solicitor who operates in this state under the authority of the seller to sell, deliver, or take orders for any taxable items;
(C) promotes a flea market, trade day, or other event that involves sales of taxable items;
(D) uses independent salespersons in direct sales of taxable items;
(E) derives receipts from a rental or lease of tangible personal property that is located in this state;
(F) allows a franchisee or licensee to operate under its trade name if the franchisee or licensee is required to collect Texas sales or use tax; or
(G) conducts business in this state through employees, agents, or independent contractors.
See Rule 3.286.


Source: http://www.window.state.tx.us/taxinfo/sales/faq_permit.html

So this is my take on the logic of collecting sales tax for an extortionate claim: Since Getty's claim involves the purchase of a retroactive license, it qualifies as a sale of tangible property. The license for a photograph is tangible property because a photograph qualifies as "personal property that can be seen..." Getty may not directly have operations in the State of Texas, but they are engaged in business because the company "conducts business in this state through employees, agents or independent contractors," meaning their copyright trolls.

Getty has apparently created a form of extortion that is subject to sales tax under Texas state law by insisting on the purchase of the retroactive license, which is a sale of tangible personal property. This may be an unintended consequence of their current copyright trolling business model. To play it safe and give the extortionate demand an air of legitimacy, their legal henchmen have probably decided that it's best to collect the sales tax, file the paperwork with the state, and pay whatever amount they collect.

Whether or not they're actually filing and paying is an entirely different question, and I think it's one worth the price of a call. I'm with Buddhapi on that. Give them your best Southern hospitality drawl, Buddhapi. They'll be glad to help.

If they're actually filing, this would be one way of finding out how much money they're raising in the state Texas. The state would have all the records on the total amounts for the filings and how much tax was collected. I'm not sure the state of Texas shares that information freely for any given account holder, but it wouldn't hurt to ask.
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Re: Getty Images Extortion Letter with Sales Tax
« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2012, 04:39:55 PM »
Getty does indeed have tax information listed in the state of texas, I'm still unclear if this permits them to collect sales tax, as I see it this allows them to issue resale certificates..

https://ourcpa.cpa.state.tx.us/staxpayersearch/salestaxpayer.do
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Re: Getty Images Extortion Letter with Sales Tax
« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2012, 04:02:53 PM »
Buddhapi, your link won't work because their search results expire after a given amount of time. I looked up "Getty Images" in their database and 3 different listings show up. Only one shows an active account. Here's the skinny on the active account:

Taxpayer Name: GETTY IMAGES (US), INC.
Mailing Address: 605 5TH AVE S STE 400 SEATTLE, WA 98104
Taxpayer Number: 11328088197
Permit Status: ACTIVE

PERMIT STATUS

Active - The taxpayer has an active sales tax permit and is eligible to issue a resale certificate to their suppliers to purchase qualifying items tax-free for resale.

*If you sell a taxable item to a customer, you must collect sales tax unless you accept a properly completed resale certificate. A customer's sales tax permit number or a copy of the customer's permit is not a substitute for a resale certificate and does not relieve the seller of the responsibility for collecting sales tax.

For more information on resale certificates, see our frequently asked questions and Rule 3.285, Resale Certificate; Sales for Resale.

An out of state retailer may issue a Texas resale certificate using the taxpayer number issued by their home state and is not required to register for a Texas sales tax permit.


So they do have to collect sales tax, file and pay with the state of Texas. They are also allowed to issue a resale certificate. If they buy something for resale, they don't have to pay sales tax on that transaction. When they sell the item to an end-user who does NOT provide them with a resale certificate, they are obligated to collect sales tax from that buyer. It's similar in California.

There's still the question of whether they are actually collecting, filing and paying the sales tax to the state of Texas, and if so, it would be interesting to find out how much they collect for "retroactive licenses", or as we like to refer to them, extortionate fees.
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Re: Getty Images Extortion Letter with Sales Tax
« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2012, 12:09:10 PM »
This could be very interesting.  To my knowledge, you cannot collect sales tax on an infringement; that's a settlement not a sale. More importantly, the forum is correct that if you collect sales tax, you better forward it to the proper authorities as opposed to keeping it yourself. It would be interesting to track when and where they ad sales tax to their letters. We are seeing it once in a blue moon in my office as well recently. I would like to hear from any Getty victim who settled with Getty and included sales tax in their settlement. There may be the elements of a class action there if Getty is wrongfully charging sales tax.   

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Re: Getty Images Extortion Letter with Sales Tax
« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2012, 12:12:33 PM »
As Moe pointed out, they may be collecting tax on the retro-active license part, and justifyong it as not part of the "claim"
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