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Here we go! Got my letter!
« on: January 21, 2013, 07:54:07 PM »
Hi! 

Glad you guys are here to provide so much info for those of us who are being pursued by Getty.  First I got the demand letter with the screenshot, etc ... photographer's name and the stock number in Getty's library of images. 

I was told to pay $965.00 to settle now.  I replied after researching how and where I obtained the image in question.  The image was actually part of a website template I had downloaded back in 2005.  I cannot recall if it was a free template or if I purchased it.  I purchase everything ... so I am guessing I purchased it.  The original zip file was on a hard drive that has since crashed.  I actually have the MyBook crashed hard drive on my desk shelf, and I look at it periodically wondering what goodies it holds.

I replied to the email address provided in the letter explaining my situation.  I told them when I had obtained the image (2005), and  I that am indeed unsure as to whether I have a license to use it that I can provide in a flash - as it may have been lost or on the crashed HD.  I found a screenshot of the template with the image in question on the template screenshot in a file folder of old websites though.  The properties inspection suggest I got the image in 2005.

The image Getty found on my site was a greatly reduced version - about 1 in height and 4 inches wide, and it was placed BEHIND another image - that was actually obscuring 50+% of it.  I had a semi-transparent layer on top of the image in question covering it with a word like OHHELP.  So image this obscured image behind the image overlay or the word, and peeking through the O H H E L P on top.  The letters were a very heavy font, and very little image peeked through.  (Wondering how they found it in first place)           

In response I provided the law that any judgment can be reduced to not less that $200.00 when using an image that was unknown to not have a license, and suggested I pay them $200.00 now to just get through the red tape.  Otherwise, I am considering bankruptcy - as I am making no money here.  I also told them I was using it not knowing I was in any violation. I told them a license 'could still turn up' if I get the data off that hard drive.  I sent them a screen shot of the template where I obtained the image.       

They replied that they now want $820.00 after careful considerations. 

I am on the fence here.  I could send the letters the site suggests, and stop any collections, or just file bankruptcy - this business has no assets.  Then start a new business for $135.00. 

Or, I am thinking about also providing a response that says 'I believe I may have a license on the crashed hard drive.  If you sue me I will have it data mined and we all see.'   

In any case, after reading these forums, I see no stories from start to finish .... from "I got the letter," to "I responded this way," to "and this is what happened."  It just seems everyone posts on the initial fright of it all, then they don't follow up on their case and results.  Or am I missing some cases here that I have not found yet?     

If no one is getting sued for 1 image ... I believe I will just send the "stop trying to get money from me letters ...." and see what happens .... Or try to get them to reduce the penalty again .... stating my case of image obscurity (they claimed it added to the aesthetics of my site - when it was actually not entirely visible), and that I may have a license on that old drive. 

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« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2013, 08:11:43 PM »
"penalty"???? no it's not a penalty!! or a "fine"....it's a bullshit claim....they don't care if it came with a template, they don't care if your Hd crashed...they want your money PERIOD. They have NEVER sued over 1 image... My case from start to finish..

I have a license for the image, they threatened me as well, I hired Oscar to draft a letter, heard from them once with a "lowered settlement offer", I declined....the 3 years came and went...end of story..

generally speaking the other stories are basically the same, people either pay them to go away ( thus letting Getty win) or they don't pay ( some hire Oscars services) those that don't pay simply wait for the 3 years to pass and it's over with..
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« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2013, 08:22:28 PM »
Hello Robert .... Thank you for reply!  What do you mean ... "wait three years to pass ..." and it will be over?

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« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2013, 08:24:34 PM »
I agree with Robert's statements. It doesn't matter what you say or what you do the only thing Getty wants his money. As Robert says you can retain Oscar and uses defense letter program and after that point you will never receive anything directly from Getty again, you can send a letter telling them to pound sand and wait out your three-year statute of limitations dealing with the occasional letters and harassment, or you can fight them and make them leave you alone and move on to easier prey. I chose the last option.

My story start to finish.

http://www.extortionletterinfo.com/forum/getty-images-letter-forum/got-my-getty-letter-thank-you-for-this-site/

http://www.extortionletterinfo.com/forum/getty-images-letter-forum/an-experiment-against-getty/

"penalty"???? no it's not a penalty!! or a "fine"....it's a bullshit claim....they don't care if it came with a template, they don't care if your Hd crashed...they want your money PERIOD. They have NEVER sued over 1 image... My case from start to finish..

I have a license for the image, they threatened me as well, I hired Oscar to draft a letter, heard from them once with a "lowered settlement offer", I declined....the 3 years came and went...end of story..

generally speaking the other stories are basically the same, people either pay them to go away ( thus letting Getty win) or they don't pay ( some hire Oscars services) those that don't pay simply wait for the 3 years to pass and it's over with..
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« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2013, 08:25:32 PM »
The three years Robert and I refer to our the statute of limitations from the time you receive your first letter that Getty has to file a lawsuit, again it is a moot point as Getty has never filed a lawsuit over a single image violation here in the states.
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« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2013, 08:29:15 PM »
and just to be clear, Gregs' case has not yet reached the 3 year mark, so his case is not technically finished, although it's the general consensus that he won't be hearing from them again, but he did address the issue just a wee bit more aggressively than most...  ;D
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« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2013, 08:34:44 PM »
You get just a wee bit more agressive and you get two things:

1) Getty runs away less in less than two months.

2) Matthew and Robert start calling you "Freakshow"  ;)

and just to be clear, Gregs' case has not yet reached the 3 year mark, so his case is not technically finished, although it's the general consensus that he won't be hearing from them again, but he did address the issue just a wee bit more aggressively than most...  ;D
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« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2013, 08:48:59 PM »
2) Matthew and Robert start calling you "Freakshow"  ;)

Please wear that "Freakshow" badge with honor. It's all good IMHO.
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« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2013, 08:50:53 PM »
Thank you for links Greg and your experiences so far ... I should post mine too for others to consider ... 

Well I guess my offering them $200.00 and their rejection was good on my part.  I could reply and offer them $300.00 just to make it look good ... as they are likely to reject that.  And the fact that I 'may have a license' would be a kick in their pants if they went to the trouble of suing over one image and then 'lost!' They need to factor that into their rubric of pursuit in my case.   

The image in question is patented to the photographer.  http://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?Search_Arg=greg+pease&Search_Code=TALL&PID=Upt2CigPIGv9NuH2DwQv-O7VI&SEQ=20130121204246&CNT=25&HIST=1   But Getty is not mentioned in the patent ... 

.... So, if the collection agency must go away on request, because this is not a bad legitimate dept, I may as well go with the three years.  Any letters I get anyway, I will promptly "return to sender - not at this address!"   

You say Greg is not past the three year threshold yet.  Is anyone else past it and also left a report of their case with play-by-plays on the site here?

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« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2013, 08:55:41 PM »
there are plenty past the 3 yrs...not much in the way of "play by play"...Getty sends letters, Getty recruits NCS to send leters...when they get shot down, Getty recruits Asshat Seattle attorney and his "mistress of misrepresentation Ashanti Taylor to send letters...eventually you reach 3 years.. same story different images and targets...
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« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2013, 08:59:43 PM »
I know that it is all in fun, we are all one big family and we have fun with each other.  I laugh every time he says it too me.

2) Matthew and Robert start calling you "Freakshow"  ;)

Please wear that "Freakshow" badge with honor. It's all good IMHO.
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« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2013, 09:01:35 PM »
I know that it is all in fun, we are all one big family and we have fun with each other.  I laugh every time he says it too me.

2) Matthew and Robert start calling you "Freakshow"  ;)

Please wear that "Freakshow" badge with honor. It's all good IMHO.
 ;)

Freak!
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« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2013, 09:02:01 PM »
I would not offer more than 200.00 and make that contingent on them providing proof of claim.

Thank you for links Greg and your experiences so far ... I should post mine too for others to consider ... 

Well I guess my offering them $200.00 and their rejection was good on my part.  I could reply and offer them $300.00 just to make it look good ... as they are likely to reject that.  And the fact that I 'may have a license' would be a kick in their pants if they went to the trouble of suing over one image and then 'lost!' They need to factor that into their rubric of pursuit in my case.   

The image in question is patented to the photographer.  http://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?Search_Arg=greg+pease&Search_Code=TALL&PID=Upt2CigPIGv9NuH2DwQv-O7VI&SEQ=20130121204246&CNT=25&HIST=1   But Getty is not mentioned in the patent ... 

.... So, if the collection agency must go away on request, because this is not a bad legitimate dept, I may as well go with the three years.  Any letters I get anyway, I will promptly "return to sender - not at this address!"   

You say Greg is not past the three year threshold yet.  Is anyone else past it and also left a report of their case with play-by-plays on the site here?

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« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2013, 09:02:34 PM »
Thank you!

I know that it is all in fun, we are all one big family and we have fun with each other.  I laugh every time he says it too me.

2) Matthew and Robert start calling you "Freakshow"  ;)

Please wear that "Freakshow" badge with honor. It's all good IMHO.
 ;)

Freak!
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« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2013, 09:06:28 PM »
I'm guessing Greg that you were escalated and started getting letters from their attorney, and then you started getting letters from a collection agency ....?  And that is where you are now .... wondering what will be in mail, tomorrow...?   

If you all joke around that is fine by me.  Eases the stress of the situation.     

And I really do appreciate your replies, attention, and support ....  !!!!!
« Last Edit: January 21, 2013, 09:08:59 PM by odisey »

 

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