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« on: April 02, 2012, 02:05:42 PM »
Well I got my letter on March 26, 2012.

I had hired a guy who claimed to know how to put together websites.  We made an agreement to barter for services.  He put together a basic website with an image he chose and said it came from a "free image site".  He notified me as of 6/1/11 that my website was up.

I have NO understanding of how to do this.  It seemed a good way to help someone and get some help.  There was NO formal agreement between myself and this third party, just a "gentlemen's agreement".

Now Getty says that I'm responsible for some $875.00 for the use of "an image represented by Getty Images".  And my "website designer" has essentially bailed on me and said he's not responsible.  I had NOT yet even approached him about helping out with the demand.  I only asked if he had checked on the image before he used it.  Apparently that upset him.  Anyway, I'm on my own here with absolutely no knowledge of how any of this works.  I asked him to remove the image and he took down the whole site.  I won't let him back on at this point since, as you could imagine, things are not to good between us.

I have spent parts of several days researching this site and listening to the audio/video's, and I'm not done.  By the time this is posted I'll have made a donation.

My 14 day deadline is this Thursday and I need to know should I just send them a certified letter explaining the mistake and that the site was taken down as soon as the potential problem was brought to my attention?  Or, can I just give the explanation and then ask them to give me the particulars (proof of copyright, date of infringement, etc.) on the first correspondence?  In other words, is there a reason to split this step up.  Looks like others are just notifying them of removal and explaining their positions and then waiting to see if they respond before asking for the particulars.  Is there a reason for 2 different steps?

How anxious should I be about getting back to them before the 14th day?  Should the certified letter reach them by then or is that an arbitrary deadline to get you to act impulsively?

When I google the "title" of the image that was used, it only goes to Getty.  Once there, I try to punch in the parameters of the use for image to get an idea of what they would charge to acquire the right to use, and the amount is just under their demand.  But I search through their site and find similar images and see they go from $15-40 each.  Now these other images are NOT from the same collection.  Other sites have similar images ranging from 19-50.

The one that was used for my site was from the Stone Collection, and interestingly any similar images from the stone collection that Getty has, weigh in at about 500-810 per image, depending on parameters of use.  I have a theory that I believe coincides with a thought another poster on this site by the name of "buddhapi"(I think?) put out as a possibility.  That they wait until there is a good amount of "use" of a particular collection, then go to that collection and in my theory, jack the price just before they send out a new wave of notices.  That way no one can use the argument of how little they actually cost and show they are being unreasonable in their demand.  In fact it would probably make them look real good since their demand is not that much higher than if you had acquired the rights "correctly".  They would appear to be very forgiving by NOT setting the demand so high and putting them in a favorable light should they ever have to go to court.  On the other hand, given my current state of distrust, I may be seeing conspiracy all over the place that's not really there.

Also, with regards to the third party who did my website described above, would I have any legal position to ask for reimbursement for the damages, if any, if I have to pay?

Anyway those are my questions so far.  Any feedback is appreciated.  Thank You for the time and all this info?  If nothing else, it has helped give me direction and kept me calm by giving me something to focus on.  Even if I do get hit with paying their overpriced demand, at least I can feel good about trying to fight back.  Thank you for the empowerment.

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Re: My Story
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2012, 02:49:28 PM »
Another question.  I've seen where it's been advised to take down history of one's website at someplace called "archives.org"? (The Wayback Machine)?  What is this and how does one do it?  Should I get someone more technologically savy to do this?  Is there anywhere else I should look to remove this image?

Thanx again.

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« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2012, 04:34:49 PM »
Greetings Doc,

Shame on your web person for not stepping up to the plate.(I'll get to him in a bit..

The deadline is just a scare tactic for the most part, chances are they will not file suit over 1 image, they will just continue to be a thorn in your side.

Explaining the situation will reap zero benefits, it will fall on deaf ears / blind eyes. The reason it is good to ask for registration and other information, such as pricing and what not, as this would show good faith on your part IF it was to land on a judges desk..which is better than ignoring it.
In regards to pricing, images in the "stone collection" are "rights managed", thus they demand a higher price, than royalty free images. It has not been confirmed that this collection is registered or if it is registered correctly without error..but have no fear Getty Images will not give you any of this information anyway..but you'll have it on record.

Keep everything in a file, I think and someone will correct me if i am wrong here, but you may be able to take your "web person" ( and i use that term lightly) to small claims court if you do end up settling. No matter how you look at it you will most likely be a "member of the club" for the next 3 years.. unless you decide to settle with them, but you may not get any of that money back depending on the small claims options..

there is a link on archive.org to remove your cached files, by sending in a request, but there are also other cached versions that Getty has access to..
Hope this helps somewhat, keep reading and learning..if you don't have the stomach to deal with this for the long haul ( 3years) you might consider Oscar's letter program, this will at least stop them from contacting you directly.


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« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2012, 05:37:01 PM »
Thank You for the reply Mr. Buddhapi.

So should I bother with the "archives.org" thing since there are lots of other cached sites and no way of knowing which ones have the content?

I think I'll send them the notice of receiving their letter and my circumstance, even though it won't do any good.  At least I can say I tried in the event I ever have to explain it to a Judge.  But I'm going to ask them to send me the afore mentioned particulars with that first letter.  We'll see what happens.

Thanx again.

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« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2012, 05:37:31 PM »
Personally, I think you need to do more to hold your web designer accountable.  If it were me, I think I would likely:

1) demand any fees back that I paid him for the website.
2) offer to let him negotiate/settle with Getty directly
3) let him know in the event you pay any damages or legal fees related to the matter that you would sue him for the appropriate amounts.

some of the "web designers" out there really really irk me.  Sorry you had the misfortune of getting mixed up with this clown.

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« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2012, 06:17:34 PM »
Personally, I think you need to do more to hold your web designer accountable.  If it were me, I think I would likely:

1) demand any fees back that I paid him for the website.
2) offer to let him negotiate/settle with Getty directly
3) let him know in the event you pay any damages or legal fees related to the matter that you would sue him for the appropriate amounts.

some of the "web designers" out there really really irk me.  Sorry you had the misfortune of getting mixed up with this clown.


It's ass hats like this that are giving us a bad name! While I agree with you
I don't think any fees were paid, I think it was a barter deal, and as we know Getty won't deal with the web developer, that will be fruitless.. I fully agree with point 3 , he either step up, or pay later
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« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2012, 01:42:57 PM »
O.K. I'm getting ready to send back a letter to them asking them to provide proof of their claim.  But where do I send it?  To the address they put down as there letter head or the address they've provided as where you would send a payment if you where paying the demand?  The address for payment is a P.O. Box.  Does it matter?

Thanx.

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« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2012, 09:11:38 PM »
Doc,

I received my letter a few days after you had received your letter. I sent my reply  letter to the address on the letter head, and sent it certified so I would get physical proof of receipt.  You cannot send a certified letter to a P.O. Box as there is no one there to sign for it.  Good luck.
« Last Edit: April 07, 2012, 09:13:55 PM by KeepFighting »
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« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2012, 11:46:39 AM »
Just reply to the letter on the Getty letterhead(the PO Box) that will get it to where it has to go. You should make sure to look through some (or all) of the material, videos, sample letters, etc that has been posted and accumulated on this site over the 3 1/2 years its been up and running. Good luck!

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« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2012, 06:38:11 PM »
Thanx all.  I sent my letter on the 4th, which by my calculation was the day before the "deadline".  Looked up the certified tracking and it was delivered on the 11th.  Gotta love snail mail.  I didn't expect it to get there the next day but I didn't expect a week either.  Oh well.  Now we wait.  I'll let ya know what I hear, if anything.  Thanx again.

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« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2012, 02:21:26 PM »
Got their response to my response.  I'm taking it (from my reading) that it's about 50-50 about continuing to dialog with these guys?  If for no other reason than to show I didn't ignore it and would put me in a little better position on the chance that this did get to a courtroom situation?  I guess I'm looking for confirmation (They've generously lowered their offer to $700).

The other thing I wanted to know is, can I jump on Mr. Michelin's defense letter program in the middle of all this if I get tired of dealing with it?  Right now I don't mind batting the snail mail back and forth (again, thanks for the continued confidence boost this site gives).  But I could see where this could get tiresome as time goes on and may just decide I don't have the time to deal with it anymore.

Thanx again gang, you guys are great.

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« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2012, 02:51:06 PM »
If you don't have the time /stomach for the back and forth with getty, the collection agency they will eventually send it to , and Mr Personality Timothy McCormack ( who is Getty's outside lawyer troll)....Get on with Oscars program and be done with it.
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« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2012, 04:17:51 PM »
Doc, I agree with Buddhapi. If you don't have the time or the desire to continue to play this game with these extortionists compliance officers as well as the copyright troll Timothy B. McCormack and his settlement demand cohorts, your best bet is to spend the money and let Oscar handle it from there.

If you don't use the Oscar letter optioin, you'll most likely end up spending a lot of time and energy messing with all this, which is fine if you like games and fights and adrenaline rushes. But if you'd prefer a less stress filled three year period, Oscar's your man. :)

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« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2012, 04:24:56 PM »
If you don't use the Oscar letter option, you'll most likely end up spending a lot of time and energy messing with all this, which is fine if you like games and fights and adrenaline rushes. But if you'd prefer a less stress filled three year period, Oscar's your man. :)

There is my smile for the day. Thank you Mulligan!
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« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2012, 04:29:30 PM »

There is my smile for the day. Thank you Mulligan!
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And I was thinking I was responsible for that...  ???
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