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Hawaiian Art Network LLC's list of Lawyers Used Thus Far
« on: November 13, 2011, 05:35:25 PM »
I did not connect the dots earlier regarding Hawaiian Art Network LLC.  But we can thank Julie Stewart for drawing attention back to Hawaiian Art Network.

I just realized that for a relatively small stock photo company, they certainly use a wide variety of lawyers thus far. In fact, the list of ELI reported lawyers we know thus far include:

Brandon Sand
http://www.extortionletterinfo.com/forum/index.php/topic,2043.0.html

Peter T. Holt
http://www.extortionletterinfo.com/forum/index.php/topic,2313.msg3534.html#msg3534

Julie Stewart
http://www.extortionletterinfo.com/forum/index.php/topic,2303.0.html

Gil Zvulony
http://www.extortionletterinfo.com/forum/index.php/topic,2420.msg4135.html#msg4135

Oscar and I believe that young and inexperienced Brandon Sand decided to get out of the business. So we don't believe we will hear from him again. But I have to believe there are more lawyers working for Hawaiian Art Network LLC that we don't yet know of.

It certainly is very interesting how much of a difference each of these lawyers appear to be in both style and substance.

The one thing they all have in common is that they have a very minimal web presence and nearly a non-existent reputation.  They all seem to be relatively inexperienced. If they are, they have certainly kept a very low profile of any work they may have done.
« Last Edit: December 13, 2011, 03:26:55 PM by Matthew Chan »
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Re: Hawaiian Art Network LLC's list of Lawyers Used Thus Far
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2011, 01:45:32 AM »
I hope I don't regret this post but I believe in trying to be fair.  It is no secret that my respect level for two of these lawyers are in the toilet.  We have newbie lawyers Brandon Sand & Julie Stewart that are simply pathetic.  Julie is apparently the lead cry-baby who decided to rally Brandon and Peter Holt together to gang up on ELI, me, and Oscar.  The two newbies are paper experts but have no online credibility whatsoever. IN fact, it is practically non-existent.

We all know that Brandon and especially Julie went ape-shit on the bogus DMCA complaints on my hosting provider and Scribd forcing me to engage in numerous counter-notification letters. What was a little blip has become a giant drama driving readership and traffic to these forums.  (I like increased readership and traffic but I don't like the drama especially when it makes me work too much.)

However, regarding Peter Holt.  I have a different view of him.  I actually have some respect for him.  He does not appear to be a newbie lawyer like the other two.  Upon further reflection, I can admit out of of all the settlement demand letters, his was the mildest and the most reasonable. It didn't have all the super-heavy, overwhelming, and outrageous statements most of the other demand letters had.

Another thing I give credit to Peter Holt for (unless he changes his behavior) is that he appears to have a more steadier head.  He did not recklessly issue bogus DMCA complaints against ELI in any way.  He also did not try to engage in a childish "wack-a-mole" game with us.

Peter's biggest beef with us (from what I can tell so far) is our liberal use of the word "extortion" throughout our website and the website name. To that, we have explained our position that we don't directly personalize it towards anyone in particular.  I am certain he will disagree but that is ok.  We can agree to disagree and just move on.  I believe he also dislikes his name being associated with this website. Well, if it means anything, I started this crazy website and I have mixed feelings about attaching MY OWN NAME to this website!  I only did it years ago because it seemed to be an important move to make if I wanted to make ELI credible.  There are many of my own friends who don't know of my involvement of ELI and I don't go out of my way to tell them.  It isn't a secret per se.  But you have to admit, the topics we discuss is very nichey and very few people can relate to it UNTIL that day a letter arrives for them! Then, all of a sudden, we get LOTS of love and attention.  :D

Peter now knows we exist and we now know he exists.  I don't trust Hawaiian Art Network.  Something doesn't smell right to me. As far as I am concerned, give me Getty Images any day.  That is really saying something when I give Getty Images higher respect than another party or organization. In any case, we observe and collect information from anyone who wants to submit info to us. There is no "witch hunt" as long as people play fairly and ethically. However, Peter's biggest problem now is his association with Hawaiian Art Network because of the smell H.A.N gives off.

For now, despite our differences, Peter Holt earns my respect for keeping his head above the drama caused by Julie and Brandon.  Let's hope everyone can now go their separate ways peacefully.
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Re: Hawaiian Art Network LLC's list of Lawyers Used Thus Far
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2011, 05:16:29 PM »
You can now add J Stephen Street to the list. He filed a  federal lawsuit now when I refused to pay the money from his "demand letter". The image came from a free download site and apparently the image is copyrighted by V Tylor and the Hawaii Art Network which of course we had no idea. I have a small web design company and this was used by our  intern.  Once I received notice we took the site down not just the image. So when he persisted after I offered him a small settlement in good faith,  I felt it was something more behind the scenes. Your right something does not smell right here to me at all. As to what that is exactly I will let you know I intend to find out! I am looking for anyone who has delt with Hawaii Art Network and received a demand letter etc. I spoke with one attorney in town who tried to defend a client but settled cheap as the poor client was local gal who had no money and she did not know she infringed a copy right ---the same free download thing.
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Re: Hawaiian Art Network LLC's list of Lawyers Used Thus Far
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2011, 05:36:17 PM »
Some questions for the H.A.N. lawyer:

Has client registered the copyright for the image at the US copyright office?
Can they provide you with proof of registration?
Is client aware that numerous web sites are representing their images as "free" or "free to download and use"?
If so, what action has client taken to stop them?

To me you are well within your rights to require this information prior to any talk of a "settlement." You've seen first hand how easy it is for someone to misrepresent the rights they have to an image and you don't want it to happen again.

For your part, be sure to document everything. Screenshots and urls of the site you got the image from, but also the other ones offering it for free. Many people on this site have indicated to me that they suspect HAN may be behind seeding these images to the wallpaper sites in the hopes of doing exactly what they are doing now. No one has been able to provide me with proof of that yet. However the images they represent do seem to show up on a remarkable number of "wallpaper" sites and strangely we have no evidence of them asking those sites to stop.
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Re: Hawaiian Art Network LLC's list of Lawyers Used Thus Far
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2011, 05:46:43 PM »
Two other thoughts:

First on another thread you said the image was uploaded by a student for a site that was non commercial. Sounds like fair use to me, but I don't know the specifics.

Second -- Just a thought for those that are following along -- I wonder if it would be possible to get any one of those 150 sites that offered that image to reveal the identity (or even the ip) of the original uploader. Because if it were uploaded to the site by the photographer of his representative and then they threatened to sue for it's use... wouldn't that be fraud?
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Re: Hawaiian Art Network LLC's list of Lawyers Used Thus Far
« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2011, 05:47:15 PM »
Not sure if this helps but here is what I have found doing a search of records on the U.S. Copyright website:

# Name (NALL) <  Full Title  Copyright Number  Date  
  [ 1 ]  Tylor, Vincent Khoury  Hawaii 2000.  VA0001696555  2000  
  [ 2 ]  Tylor, Vincent Khoury, 1962-  Hawaii 2004.  VA0001696552  2004  
  [ 3 ]  Tylor, Vincent Khoury, 1962-  Honolua Bay.  VA0001789671  2001  
  [ 4 ]  Tylor, Vincent Khoury, 1962-  O-01 Waikiki-Pink boat ORIGINAL VERSION.  VA0001759562  2000  
  [ 5 ]  Tylor, Vincent Khoury, 1962-  Waikiki Day 2003 O-15-C.  VA0001792948  2003  
  [ 6 ]  Tylor, Vincent Scott  Vincent Scott Tylor Hawaii - 2006.  VA0001761524  2006  




# Name (NALL) <  Full Title  Copyright Number  Date  
  [ 1 ]  Hawaiian Art, Inc.  Bali Hai / by Al Hogue.  VA0001212765  1996  
  [ 2 ]  Hawaiian Art, Inc.  Banyan moon / by Al Hogue.  VA0001212766  1998  
  [ 3 ]  Hawaiian Art, Inc.  Banyan sunrise / by Al Hogue.  VA0001212767  1999  
  [ 4 ]  Hawaiian Art, Inc.  Bathed in moonlight.  VA0001212768  1996  
  [ 5 ]  Hawaiian Art, Inc.  Call of the wild / by Al Hogue.  VA0001212769  2002  
  [ 6 ]  Hawaiian Art, Inc.  Cliffs of Hamakua / by Al Hogue.  VA0001212770  2000  
  [ 7 ]  Hawaiian Art, Inc.  Crystal moon.  VA0001212771  1994  
  [ 8 ]  Hawaiian Art, Inc.  Dawn of a new day / by Al Hogue.  VA0001212772  1998  
  [ 9 ]  Hawaiian Art, Inc.  Diamond Head dreams.  VA0001212774  1995  
  [ 10 ]  Hawaiian Art, Inc.  Diamond moon / by Al Hogue.  VA0001212773  1998  
  [ 11 ]  Hawaiian Art, Inc.  Dolphin home / by Al Hogue.  VA0001212775  2000  
  [ 12 ]  Hawaiian Art, Inc.  Eternal light / by Al Hogue.  VA0001212776  1997  
  [ 13 ]  Hawaiian Art, Inc.  Guiding light / by Al Hogue.  VA0001212777  2000  
  [ 14 ]  Hawaiian Art, Inc.  Heavenly light / by Al Hogue.  VA0001212779  2000  
  [ 15 ]  Hawaiian Art, Inc.  Heights of harmony / by Al Hogue.  VA0001212752  1997  
  [ 16 ]  Hawaiian Art, Inc.  Jungle playground / by Al Hogue.  VA0001212780  1997  
  [ 17 ]  Hawaiian Art, Inc.  Kauai moonrise / by Al Hogue.  VA0001212781  2000  
  [ 18 ]  Hawaiian Art, Inc.  La Jolla moonrise / by Al Hogue.  VA0001212782  1998  
  [ 19 ]  Hawaiian Art, Inc.  Lahaina twilight / by Al Hogue.  VA0001212783  1997  
  [ 20 ]  Hawaiian Art, Inc.  Lighthouse Bay / by Al Hogue.  VA0001212784  1999  
  [ 21 ]  Hawaiian Art, Inc.  Lighting the way home / by Al Hogue.  VA0001212758  1998  
  [ 22 ]  Hawaiian Art, Inc.  Lunar light / by Al Hogue.  VA0001212759  2000  
  [ 23 ]  Hawaiian Art, Inc.  Lunar seas.  VA0001212760  1994  
  [ 24 ]  Hawaiian Art, Inc.  Lunar seas 2 / by Al Hogue.  VA0001212761  2002  
  [ 25 ]  Hawaiian Art, Inc.  Lunar solitude / by Al Hogue.  VA0001212762  2000  


This was all I was able to find under the artist's name. Under  "Hawaiian Art" there are 62 entries and the above is the first 25 listings. Could not find anything under "Hawaii Art". Hopefully the image in question is not on this list.
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« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2011, 07:12:23 PM »
It would appear copyright troll Hawaiian Art Network found themselves a new attorney to send out their extortionistic type letters, this time they want $10,000.00 for 2 images!.. The additional money must be for the infringing of ones moral rights! as can be seen in this post:

http://www.extortionletterinfo.com/forum/index.php/topic,2409.0.html

Anyway I haven't been able to find much info on this firm as of yet...


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« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2011, 03:28:20 PM »
Zvulony & Co. website can be found at http://zvulony.ca

Slick website and they appear to be a bit more savvier on the social media and web presence front.
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