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screen capture and print!

Case closed according to Getty compliance....

Logged on with case # and access code, here is the message that greeted me:


Thank you for your inquiry. Getty Images has previously received payment for this case and now considers this matter closed.



Done and done!

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Case closed according to Getty compliance....

Logged on with case # and access code, here is the message that greeted me:


Thank you for your inquiry. Getty Images has previously received payment for this case and now considers this matter closed.

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Just took a look at check image from my bank.  Has several things written on it, an invoice # as well as what looks like it might be a different settlement number written above the original settlement number....this was obviously NOT deposited mistakenly, a lot of work went into generating new numbers, etc. 

Don't have original Getty letter with me right now, when I get home I'm thinking of doing the following:

logging into Getty settlement site with my original number and access code, seeing if compliance stuff is still up there, or if it is gone or listed as paid or settled...logging in with new # written above it and doing the same...

once I do this I will let everyone know what happens when I try to log in...

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Soylent- I'm thinking that's the case here.  Not only did we remove the image, we completely password protected the site (since it was never a public site).  So not only can they no longer access the site, even the wayback machine internet archive can't pull up more than half of the images and pages that were on the site...that's how rarely the site was accessed by anyone.

Additionally the picture was a thumbnail, any attempt by them to provide evidence via a high res image they claim was copyrighted by them will fail.  The image on the site was no bigger than 1/2 " by 1/2 inch and was a screen cap...

I have a feeling they'll take their 100 bucks because they know it is the only offer they'll ever see from me.  But again, I'll keep everyone posted.

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Matthew-you'll be seeing a small paypal contribution from me in the next few days...because if it weren't for this sight I'm not sure how I would have handled this. 

On the topic of the check/refunded check/14 days...the letter was mailed out 17 days ago, and the check was deposited today (and has already been deducted). 

I'm guessing they will simply vanish as well...but if not I'll keep everyone posted.

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Received a letter, stressed
« on: June 18, 2012, 08:31:09 PM »
This is VERY similar to my wife's situation.

You can see what happened here: http://www.extortionletterinfo.com/forum/getty-images-letter-forum/getty-imagesmemorial-day-welcome-home-surprise/


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I was planning a follow-up series of recorded phone conversations.  ONLY discussing the 14 day deadline.  Essentially guiding the conversation until someone could specifically tell me the reason for the 14 days.  I threw in the whole " your legal department" b.s. in the letter because we both know that is exactly what it is.  See, if they question MY 14 day deadline as being not legal, then they immediately are admitting that theirs is simply an extortion tactic with no actual legal standing. 

I'm big on throwing people's words back into their faces (that's why I'm an awesome middle school teacher)

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I'm just curious to see if they'll send me a response letter.  I also figured $100 was  right about the sweet spot of their blackmailing/extortion letter.  If they do send me a response, I'll be sure to post it.

As for the 14 day thing...I'm a stickler for the whole "if it's good for you, then it's good for me."  I had a whole long term plan with the 14 day thing to...it was a doozy.

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Well, it turns out Getty cashed my FINAL offer check of $100.00.  Probably more than I should have offered, but I really didn't want to deal with this for the entire of my summer break--I want to have some fun! (I'm a public school teacher).  Below is a cut/paste of the letter that I sent them, along with a check for $100.00 with "final settlement" written in the memo section: 


Gettyimages
601 N. 34th St.
Seattle, WA  98103

Regarding Case: xxxxxxx

This letter is in response to your letter dated May 24, 2012.  In this letter you state that an image used on the website xxxxxxxxx.com was identified as being in violation of U.S. copyright law.  The webpage in question was removed immediately.  This website is a personal website and is currently password protected and unavailable to anyone other than my wife and myself.

After a considerable amount of research, I found many similar images ranging in price from $10 to $50 with unlimited use.  Such images were found at istock.com as well as at canstock.com.  I am enclosing a check for $100 in order to take care of this matter, in spite of the fact that this amount is greater than the going price for similar stock photography and is far in excess of what would be owed for a low-res thumbnail photo of an indistinguishable image (see below).

Understand that the website in question is simply an online portfolio and does not generate any revenue; it is not nor ever has been a business website in any way nor it receives only negligible web traffic. My wife is not a freelance artist and is not currently looking for employment.  It simply serves as a place where samples of my wife’s past design work is collected and stored.  This work includes her own art pieces as well as web comps and samples she has created through the years.  The alleged image was actually part of a screen capture and was incredibly small and difficult to see on the original webpage (and doubly difficult to see on the copy you sent us.)

In spite of this, I have included a payment of $100 in order to put this matter behind us and stop wasting both of our times and resources on what is inevitably seems to be nothing more than a minor misunderstanding on both ends.

As per the guidelines your legal team has laid forth, you too will have fourteen days from the date of this letter to respond.  If no response is received in the 14 days it is understood that you accept the $100.00 settlement and no further collections or legal action from getty will be forthcoming. 

If you do not accept this settlement, please return the check promptly within the agreed upon 14 days.  Also include with your response the following items: a) proof that you are holders of the copyright, including copies of the signed paperwork verifying that you are now the copyright holder;  b) the method by which you formulated your settlement amount; c) a clearer copy of the infringement and d) the date which the infringement began.

Please understand, you are obligated to provide legal standing when collecting a debt, this includes the proof that this is the image in question, proof that you are the owner of the alleged image and proof that the amount owed is consistent with the going rate for similar images.  If you are unable to provide all of this information in the timeframe set by your own legal department, then I will consider this matter closed. 

Thanks in advance for your prompt attention to this situation, I look forward to settling this quickly and amicably.

Sincerely,




Jxxxxx

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I actually think a recorded phone conversation would be a much better "just in case" we go to court trail.  People generally, and interns specifically, no matter how well trained  simply don't know how to hold conversations.  Every misstatement, every time they say something and it's recorded, they can't take it back.  A response letter by them is mulled over and reviewed, a conversation is quick and requires people to think on their toes and is much likely to get answers that would make the entire case seem ridiculous in a court of law...

I'll have about ten weeks off, so I can truly call every day and each day demand the proof.  I can make it my summer hobby. 

As for them hanging up or not speaking if I record the call, I'm pretty sure they'll be recording the call as well, so it's a win-win.  I'm from the "if you can do it, why can't I" school of thought.  And, yes, I would waste their interns time, their law departments time, secretaries...and I would ask for detailed explanations, I've already been compiling a list of questions that would require answers...of course maybe they'll accept my offer and be done with it--lol!

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Thanks for all the help here...it truly was as minimal as mentioned.  My wife isn't a freelancer, she's been working as a salaried employee of a non-profit for several years. She occasionally put stuff up on the site as part of her portfolio...it required about six clicks to get to this particular page and the image in question truly was a screencap of a proposed page on which the image appeared...in fact the site should have been password protected because it really isn't for the general public at all...it's there as a "just in case" my wife ever does lose her job and needs to get her portfolio up to speed quickly.

I've already constructed a decent letter not really mentioning any legal precedent, but following the basic procedure--provide me with proof otherwise this isn't legally a debt at all, provide me with how you came up with the price, etc. etc.

I'll save the legally stuff for their response.  Since I'm a school teacher and summer is rapidly approaching, I'm also thinking about a series of phone calls which I will make depending on their response to my first letter or two.  I will let "whoever" answers the phone know that I am recording the conversation (which I will be) in order to have supporting evidence should any of this go to trial.  Since I've got time, I might call until I get legitimate answers to my complaints.  If that's once every two weeks, or once a week, or everyday...if they are going to say my wife owes them ANYTHING, I should be able to get legitimate answers to my questions and the proof that they're legally required to produce...

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S.G.
I was looking specifically at the Stanford website because it collected fair use for all sorts of media...particularly this section: "Fair use. A search engine’s practice of creating small reproductions (“thumbnails”) of images and placing them on its own website (known as “inlining”) did not undermine the potential market for the sale or licensing of those images. Important factors: The thumbnails were much smaller and of much poorer quality than the original photos and served to help the public access the images by indexing them. (Kelly v. Arriba-Soft, 336 F.3d. 811 (9th Cir. 2003).)

and this "Fair use. It was a fair use, not an infringement, to reproduce Grateful Dead concert posters within a book. Important factors: The Second Circuit focused on the fact that the posters were reduced to thumbnail size ..."

Neither of these cases involved academic institutions and  both were for profit endeavors...

in any case the "fair use" argument and court citations would be part of an overall barrage of stuff I'd throw back at them if they don't accept my $100.00 in the 14 day window...

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What I've seen here: http://fairuse.stanford.edu/Copyright_and_Fair_Use_Overview/chapter9/9-c.html

it seems like the rulings on photography extend more towards whether or not the use of the photograph would somehow prevent the photographer from making money and the quality of the images in question...

I'm also thinking about putting in an arbitrary deadline...you know, I write this letter, include a $100 check and then put in a statement similar to their b.s. statement...if I do not receive a written notice that you have not accepted this settlement offer it will be understood that you agree to this settlement offer and the items set forth in this response...

Yeah, I know it doesn't hold any legal muster, but it would be nice to give them some of the same b.s. back that they love to dish out.

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Actually thinking about discussing fair use in the letter...and then quoting a few cases.  Some of the stuff I'm reading about fair use of photography discusses the thumbnail size and awful quality of the thumbnails as being fair use since the images themselves are obviously not being used to make money...as I stated, the image itself is about a 1 inch screen cap of a web page (meaning the photo in question is probably 1/2" if that)....

Who knows...

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This site is ours...like I said it is basically her portfolio, where she keeps an online resume and some examples of the work she did at different times in her design career.

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