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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Extortionist
« on: August 25, 2012, 01:13:35 AM »
Well Mr. Gibbs, I find it interesting that you can come to Eli and read a few articles and determine everyone is a thief. With that astounding sense of observation and keen intellect I see how you can just take a glance at something and just like Sherlock Holmes know exactly what is going on. So there is not much more point in proclaiming my innocence and I may as well confess here and now.

I admit I went to a website owned by an individual, this individual had many picture galleries including one labeled public. When this public gallery folder was opened every image in it had the owner of the website's name along with a title for the picture. I admit I downloaded this picture labeled as belonging to the owner of the website and offered in a free public directory and used it. I then receive an extortion settlement demand letter from Getty saying I have stolen and used their image and am guilty of copyright infringement. Thinking that this great benevolent company spreading sunshine lollipops and kittens throughout the world you interned for know it is Getty has read and understands copyright law and what a de minimis infringement is I sent them a letter along with screen captures of where the image was obtained thinking that would be the end of it. Getty says that it does not matter where or how the image was obtained I am guilty and must pay $875. I do not agree with this but state I am willing to negotiate and ask for simple proof of claim since I'm being presented with an invoice and of course Getty refuses and states that they will only provide proof when they sue me. Great customer relations by the way. I then have my lawyer sent a letter stating we require proof and if a confidentiality agreement is needed to obtain the proof we would both be willing to sign one to which we receive a reply stating it takes too much time and cost too much money to send you the proof will only give it to you when we sue you.

Seeing Getty has such a wonderful track record like the Getty v Advernet case where they won by default for 35 images of allegedly infringed yet the judge ruled they would receive absolutely nothing because of issues with every single image they did not have the right to any monetary damages. How about Gettys $12 million class-action lawsuit in Israel for collecting on images they don't have rights to collect on?

Every time it is brought to Getty's attention along with proof that any infringement that occurred was innocent and nonwillful Getty states it does not matter how the image was obtained you must pay. Interestingly enough in the current case of Rock Photo v Getty where Rock Photo is suing Getty for copyright infringement of its images Getty is telling the court that if any infringement occurred it was innocent and nonwillful and as such should not have to pay. A little hypocritical? Maybe just a touch.

How about the fact that the company known as Getty which is so pure and wholesome that it makes the 99.9% pure ivory soap bar look like dirty snow alongside the road flat out bald-faced lies to the Atty. Gen., Better Business Bureau and other agencies. When I have filed complaints against Getty with these agencies including copies of all correspondence, screen captures are in evidence Getty replies that I have admitted gleaning the image a Google type Internet search which is line number one since they have proof that I provided of where the image was obtained. Next they state that they could not provide me with the proof I requested due to confidentiality agreements between themselves and their artists. Line number two as they have a copy of a letter from my lawyer stating we would sign a confidentiality agreement of our own to obtain the proof requested to continue negotiation to which I get the lame assed excuse that it takes too much time to click the print button and too much money to stick a stamp on an envelope and send it to me.

Also remember me mentioning the screen captures of where I got the image? Those were sent to Getty in in the screen captures was the web address going right to the pictures. So Getty immediately put a stop to the spread of this image being claimed to be owned by someone else and offer for free in a public art gallery right? You would think so but you would be wrong. The image was still there the last time I checked so I can only conclude Getty likes this since it helps their new business model and generates lots of revenue from those gullible enough to pay. I believe in copyright law as well as protecting the rights of artists but this is not what Getty is doing and if you are too blind to see that then you drank deeply from the corporate Kool-Aid during your time there and there is no hope of reasoning with you.


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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: An Experiment Against Getty
« on: August 23, 2012, 09:44:30 PM »
That is great news stinger, if enough people continue to send out complaint letters to the various agencies sooner or later one of the agencies will reach a tipping point and have enough complaints to act upon them. I recently read an article that was a few years old were Getty admitted to sending out approximately 40,000 of these letters a year which equals right about 770 letters a week. In this article was several years old and if you figure the average Getty letter is for $1000 as the range seems to be from around $800-$1200 that is approximately $40 million a year in troll revenue. I'm sure with  Pic-Scout and the like that number has increased.

In just as a general FYI to everyone I was experimenting with my Scribd account trying to make folders and moved documents into them so the account would be more organized I managed to delete all of my letters. I will be uploading new copies this weekend and then coming back in modifying this post with the new links so that everything will work. So if you are looking for a letter everything should be back up and running by Sunday.

Update:  I just received a letter from my Senator stating that they have contacted the Library of Congress on my behalf with a copy of my correspondence.  Whats interesting is that:

1. I originally contacted them and then was required to fill out a Privacy Act Release form, before passing the paperwork off to where they think it needs to go.
2. In my complaint, I state that "...I initially thought, and now am totally convinced, that Getty Images and McCormack Intellectual Property Law are using copyright laws, as a business plan to extort money from small businesses."
3.  They turned that into, "...regarding your concerns with possible violations of copyright law."

There is a subtle and meaningful change in those words.  I am not sure if that change will help us get attention, or help Getty.  I never said that I thought Getty was breaking the law, only that they are using the laws to make money in ways that lawmakers likely never imagined.  I am not even sure if the change was intentional.

More likely, it's like the game where you tell the first kid in the class a short snippet and it gets repeated, one kid at a time, until it comes out at the back of the room as a completely different story.

Time will tell what comes of this. In the mean time, I encourage everyone who has received a Getty extortion letter to make the Attorney General, your congressmen, and the Library of Congress aware of what is going on here.  There is power in numbers.

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Aloha plastic Surgery update
« on: August 22, 2012, 08:03:45 PM »
Especially rough for Uncle Glen who has to sit and wait for the other shoe to drop now for almost a year.

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Matthew is right, and I would do it in your blog too, so when they take it they are nailing themselves to the wall!  ;D

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Got a letter, now what???
« on: August 20, 2012, 07:32:03 PM »
Susan,

Welcome to the forums, I know it may seem scary but believe me it is nowhere near as bad as Getty makes it seem. These letters are designed to look like a legal case is imminent and to panic you with an artificial deadline of 14 days to pay or else. As others have suggested, step back and take a breath and start reading the forms as pretty much all your answers can be found here.

While your first reaction is a common one of wanting to write to Getty and plead your case I can pretty much tell you that Getty does not care what your story is and the only thing they want is money. Getty has started using these extortion demand letters as a business model and a means of making money rather than legitimately trying to protect artists intellectual property rights. If they were truly concerned about protecting rights in cases of innocent and nonwillful infringement a simple cease and desist letter is all that is normally required, yet Getty continues to demand exorbitant and unrealistic dollar amounts for so-called damages.

To also help put your mind at ease to date Getty has not sued anyone over the use of just a single image. As Robert has said, every single case is different and every letter should be unique and tailored to your situation but I have made my correspondence between Getty and myself available as well as complaint letters that I have filed against Getty with the Washington State Attorney General's Office, Washington State BBB, the Federal Trade Commission and my Congressman and Senator. If you would like to look at these letters they can be found at the following link:

http://www.extortionletterinfo.com/forum/getty-images-letter-forum/an-experiment-against-getty/

Again, I would only use these letters as a reference to see how the correspondence with Getty will most likely go as well as the different agencies you may file complaints with should you feel you have been wronged and wish to do so.

Read the forums and consider your options as you have four of them. First is to ignore it which I do not recommend. Second is to respond to and fight Getty yourself which some including myself have chosen to do. Third is to take advantage of the Eli support call with Matthew as this can bring you up to speed rather quickly and help you decide which option is best for you and finally is utilizing Oscars letter program which will make it so Getty can no longer contact you and they will have to deal with Oscar.

I hope this helps you out, continue to read and ask questions and please keep us informed as to your progress.

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That is what I meant to, it doesn't matter who it's from I will not respond to it and I don't recommend anyone else responding to it either.

Yes.  However, I'm referring to any trolling email.  From Getty, McCormack, etc.
It's not a proper form of notice.  They send nothing but threats.  I don't see any productive reason for anyone to even respond anymore.

S.G.

 

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I agree with you also, I would never respond to e-mail like that. I want the good old-fashioned snail mail letter with someone's signature on it so there is no doubt as to where it came from or who sent it, that way I know who my penpal is should I decide to respond ;D

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: New ELI Factor Episode Released!
« on: August 19, 2012, 05:41:35 PM »
Thanks Moe!


Nice work all around, fellas.

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: New ELI Factor Episode Released!
« on: August 19, 2012, 12:11:55 AM »
Thanks SG, I had fun doing it too, but was pretty nervous ;D

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Wow, that is an amazing story. I'm glad that the family was finally able to get this matter behind them and move on with their lives.

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Great job Robert in a very interesting read I'm looking forward to part two!

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Hahaha! You had me going there for just a minute wondering what in the world had happened. However this could be an opportunity Eli could use to help raise MasterFail in the Google search engines. We should do all we can to help restore the link between the two names so they appear together in Google searches ;D

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I remember reading an article about him, he is the one that somehow found out a does name and address in a P2P case and sent him a packet that looks like a lawsuit had been filed. Everything in the packet had been filled out with the exception of the court and the actual court case information.  There was a good article about it over at www.dietrolldie.com. I posted a thread about this a while back and the legal controversies forum.

http://www.extortionletterinfo.com/forum/legal-controversies-forum/new-trolling-tatic/

So it looks as if good old Mike has got a brand-new bag now. I'll be very interested to see what Robert has found and posts about him.

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: ELI Factor: Episode 1 Premieres!
« on: August 17, 2012, 06:00:40 PM »
Thank you Peeved but I was pretty nervous that is the first time I had ever done anything like that.

LMAO!!! TOO FUNNY GREG!

btw...You are a "natural" in front of the camera. Good for you.

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: ELI Factor: Episode 1 Premieres!
« on: August 17, 2012, 05:46:54 PM »
Come on Peeved your next, there are ways you can do this and still stay anonymous :D  ;)



Sorry Robert....didn't mean to throw you under the bus or Greg for that matter. Just happened to see it while checking out the other shows.

GOOD LUCK with that last one!
 8)

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