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Getty doesn't have "the goods" in this case.
Do they expect anyone to believe that it's easier to go to court to settle a matter like this, rather than just show you the evidence that you requested?

This is the "Getty Scam", my friend.
I don't think that you've infringed on anything that they actually own.


S.G.

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Different Strategy
« on: June 06, 2011, 03:06:46 PM »
It's an interesting thought.
They'd probably say the same thing to you that you should say to them:
"Can you prove that you're the sole copyright owner, and you could actually collect on this".

S.G.


1188
A phone call seems so much less official than a letter.
They've been threatening to sue from the beginning, so not much has changed, right?

Have they offered and proof in writing to you to indicate that they are the sole owners of the photos in question.
Without that, a successful lawsuit would prove difficult.

S.G.


1189
I must admit that I'm from the "ignore it" camp in a case such as this involving Getty.
It's a fact that Getty hasn't sued many people the world over since this started.
It's doubtful that they'd pursue you in court over one single image.

Sure, they could send it to a collection agency.
But, it's not an actual "debt", so they really can't do much.
It won't impact your credit rating.
If a collection agency bothered you, you could simply tell them in writing that you are aware of the situation, but deny owing Getty anything.
Problem solved.

Oscar's letter works because once an attorney contacts Getty, they (Getty) must contact said attorney with any further correspondence (and not you).
They know that your attorney will just ignore any further threats, so Getty gives up.
But, if they did want to sue, they'd just inform your attorney.

Personally, if I wasn't going to pay them something, I wouldn't utter a word.
I would recommend against negotiating with them, unless you are actually going to pay them a sum which they'd accept.
If you negotiate, low-ball them, and then you back off, they'll be all over you.

You're unlikely to hear of many success stories, because people who have paid have often signed a confidentiality agreement.
There's surely many people have never paid a cent, but they can't gloat about it here.
They may be worried that it could come back to haunt them.

S.G.




1190
My impression is that the copyright trolls use the archives to indicate how long an infringement might have existed.
That's after a "live" version has already been found online.

They're already chasing so many presently existing infringements that a lawsuit for an old infringement is unlikely.
Many places have provisions in law that a lawsuit must be timely.
That is, a lawsuit must be brought within a time that the plaintiff could have and should have known of the offending situation.

In any case, such a suit would be very weak.  The work of these archives tends to be rather "spotty".  There's no guarantee of accuracy.
You could simply say that the offending content on the archive was never part of your site, and it would be up to the other party to prove it.

Matt's right that people can sue for any reason, and this leads to abuse.
In our society, threats of lawsuits occur so often that these threats carry less and less weight over time.
I once had a job offer; the money was actually good, but the employment contract stated that they'll sue the employee in a certain situation.
Of course, that's a difficult thing to pull off.  But, it exposed the company workplace as "toxic".  Needless to say, I took my talents elsewhere.

buddhapi's right about the meta-tag.  But, I think that domaintools ignores those tags, as they're making money serving the copyright trolls these days.
If anyone has the IP address(es) of the domaintools robot spider, I'd like to know.
I want to add those to my .htaccess file, thereby blocking access to my site.
If your web server uses Apache, you can make an .htacess file, too.

I often wonder if we'll see more court "summary judgments" in the future.
If the courts ever become clogged with copyright cases, the system could save a lot of time by simply dismissing cases immediately wherein there's no proof of copyright ownership.

S.G.

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Masterfile asking for +$9,000!!!
« on: May 22, 2011, 01:08:33 PM »
Hey Matthew,

Thanks for your response.

Getty seems to have a more diversified business than masterfile (MF).
I would guess that their press photo business, archival and television efforts probably bring in revenue that MF cannot.
Now they have PicScout, too.

As we know, masterfile's private.
I would imagine that they keep their info closely guarded.
If it could be actually proven that they continue to exist because of copyright extortion, a savvy person could argue that they have purposely encouraged it.

Another poster on this forum did mention previously that MF gets 85 percent of its revenue from the extortion scheme.
If you type "masterfile revenue" into google, that post comes up first or second in the listing.  Fun times!

Another report estimates revenue of 6.2 million per annum for MF.
MF's president, Steve Pigeon mentioned in one of his troll rants that his company pursues over 7000 cases of infringement a year.
So, let's do the math.  85% of $6.2 million is $5,270,000.
Let's assume that only half of the people pay up...  7000/2 = 3500.
How much would each person have to pay up on average to make the 5.27 million in revenue?
ummm...  $5,270,000 / 3500 = $1505.71.
MF would incur some expenses to find and pressure their victims, of course.

But, it's quite plausible that copyright trolling/extortion is their primary business.
I hope that some disgruntled employee "spills the beans" some day...

S.G.


1193
Thanks for the great information!!

Let's hope that these schemes end as soon as possible.

S.G.


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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Masterfile asking for +$9,000!!!
« on: May 20, 2011, 08:23:18 PM »


Ah, yes.  Masterfile; the Somali pirates of the Internet copyright scamola. First off, I’m not a lawyer or anything of that sort.
$9000 is quite a high amount to ask for this, by the way.

From what I’ve heard, masterfile will usually send a fairly informal email as they did to you at first.  You’ll likely discuss the situation with them briefly.
You won’t hear from them for several weeks.  Then, you’ll receive about three letters via FedEX, one every three to four weeks.
The first one will contain a FAQ about copyright infringement, along with a “voluntary invoice” which informs you that the price has doubled.
The next one will have some bogus legal papers to scare you, etc.  Finally, you’ll receive a letter stating that you have 10 days to pay up.
Two weeks after that, some obnoxious boob will call you. 

No court judgment has been made against you, so you don’t really “owe” them a debt.
They’re pretty aggressive; I don’t think that masterfile could survive without this revenue.
They often don’t quit unless they a) get their money, b) find out that you have nothing of value, c) find out that it’ll cost more to fight you than it’s worth,
or d) they know that they’ll never win court and you’ll go there if you have to.  So, it’s your job to beat them over the head with points (b) through (d), until they give up.

They don’t really care what the reasons for the alleged infringement were.  So, save your breath. 
They just want some money as soon as possible.

They have sued people in the past; I don’t think that they make much (if any money) from this.
But, they have to sue people every once in a while, or people wouldn’t be scared enough to pay.
It costs only 50 measly dollars to file the papers, so it’s a cheap way to put pressure on people.
Even if one is sued, you can still settle later on rather than going through the courts.  The masterfile toads have a tendency to really make things move at a glacial pace.
Months go by between letters. They serve papers, then wait months before pursuing it, if at all.  Many of these lawsuits are simply dropped, or they expire on the court docket.
They go after a variety of different people (some with only one infringement, others with several) to give the impression that nobody escapes their “net”.
If serious money is involved (greater than 50k), they move much more quickly with court action.

Recently, they’ve spent some serious coin on going after the Pointts traffic paralegal business. 
I suspect that much of their potential lawsuit budget is being spent on this one.
That’s good news for smaller players caught up in this; there might not be a budget left to pursue other victims.
Pointts brought a “third party” action against its web design contractor, and this contractor in turn brought a third party action against what I take to be a freelancer.
I don’t think that the ‘States have a “third party” action provision like this.
Your web designer’s in India, so it might be impractical to consider a third party action against them if the need arises.
This Pointts thing is going to a mediation in June; this shows that masterfile isn’t completely confident in its legal case.
But, it wants some sort of large “win” on the books, even if it’s just a compromise.

Masterfile hasn’t done a good job of properly registering its content as copyrighted.
If they’re sending you registration numbers from the US Library of Congress, or the US Copyright Office as proof of ownership, you should know that it’s not worth much in Canadian court. 
Therefore, if they haven’t registered the photos in Canada, then you could claim “innocent infringement”.
I feel that it would apply in your case; do keep your evidence of this in the unlikely event that you need it.
If you wish to clear up the problem soon, you could offer $200 per image (the minimum often awarded under the Canadian innocent infringement provisions – it’s sometimes even lower).
They’ll balk at this, of course, and flat out refuse.  But, they’ll have to take it, unless they could get more by going to court.  But, I doubt that they could. 
In fact, if they took you to court, and they were awarded an amount similar to what you offered them, they would be responsible for your legal costs and then some.

They’ve registered some compilation books.  But, if the original source of the photos wasn’t one of the actual books (a CD-ROM for example), they might be out of gas on this one. 
Or, all photos may appear in one book, hence only one infringement.  So, feel free to be creative.
Be careful of legal advice from masterfile’s lawyers.  They have sent misleading letters to victims in the past. 
Such letters will have the law office letterhead and branding on them.  However, they’ll have a secretary sign it. 
An actual lawyer didn’t sign it, so they can say what they want, and not be exposed to legal trouble for misleading statements.

This is some information about masterfile’s scheme for Canadians:

http://blog.innovatellp.com/2011/02/masterfile-corporation-and-copyright.html


Here’s an interesting article about Canadian Copyrights:

http://www.rossmcbride.com/articles/Copyright-Registration-What-s-it-good-for/


Here’s the Canadian Copyright Act:

http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/laws/stat/rsc-1985-c-c-42/latest/rsc-1985-c-c-42.html#PART_VI_MISCELLANEOUS_PROVISIONS_401830


I’m not affiliated with the organizations in these links, or any of their people.  But, I did learn a lot from their sites.


Good luck,

S.G.



1195
Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Getty Images Acquires PicScout
« on: May 19, 2011, 05:29:39 PM »
Matt,

My Pleasure.

It's pretty savvy on Getty's part, really.  I'll give them that.
Other companies (Masterfile, I'm looking in your direction!) will enrich their competitor Getty every time they use PicScout.  Wonder how they feel about that?
Getty paid handsomely for PicScout.  But, they can now afford to search the web 24/7 for infringements from their entire catalog.
I have no doubt that they'll integrate their other databases into the system to automate the process somewhat.

This deal is certainly an indicator of Getty's future plans, and quantifies just how big they expect "infringement sales" to be in the near future.

S.G.




 

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Getting a letter from FedEX doesn't mean anything special, other than they like FedEX.  Or, FedEX was cheaper, or something.
If you intend to evade "service" of court papers, then don't sign for anything or accept registered letters from Getty or its lawyers.

You offered $500, and that's not a bad thing; it shows that you're trying to remedy the situation.
However, since you did that, they likely feel that they can pressure you into giving much more money.

It's time to ask them for proof of ownership of the images in question.
In addition, ask them to provide proof that they have registered the images with the copyright office.
If they refuse your request for any reason, then they simply don't have the goods.
If they have the time and money to have a lawyer send some form letter to you, they can certainly send you their proof of ownership at the time of the alleged infringement.

If the photographer/artist still owns the photo, then Getty would find it more difficult to get punitive damages (the retail price of the images) in court.
If Getty hasn't registered the images with the copyright office, then they cannot collect statutory damages (legal feels).

Note that Getty has registered images in the past.  However, the original artist/photographer still holds the copyright in many cases.  This would be a problem for Getty also.


Good luck,

S.G.




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Getty Images Letter Forum / Getty Images Acquires PicScout
« on: May 17, 2011, 11:30:07 PM »
Getty Images Acquires PicScout

SEATTLE, April 27, 2011 /PRNewswire/ – Getty Images, a leading creator and distributor of visual content and other media, today announced that it has acquired PicScout, a leader in identifying image use, metadata and licensing information on the web.

(If you don't know what PicScout is; copyright trolls such as getty, masterfile and riddick employ it to scan the web for alleged unlicensed use of images).

http://www.ipwire.com/ip-deals-and-opinion/getty-images-acquires-picscout.html

Note to Oscar:  you're going to get even busier..!



S.G.


1199
Yes, like many others, I'm anxiously awaiting the resumts of this.  It's pretty interesting.

Much has been made of "copyright infringement" in the case of Bernina vs Riddick.
However, isn't the quesion before the court actually whether or not Riddick damaged Bernina's business?
That is, even if Bernina had infringed on Riddick's copyright, that didn't give Riddick the right to seek compensation through his alleged threats and malicious actions.

I'm not sure if the readers here are familiar with some of Bernina's history;

"In the embroidery world, no company has led that charge like Bernina, which owns several embroidery and sewing-related companies, including Great Notions, an online catalog of digital designs. Bernina organized the short-lived Embroidery Software Protection Coalition (ESPC), a group of several companies that went after alleged copyright abusers in 2005 and 2006. The proliferation of pirated designs around the Internet, often sold on sites such as eBay and Etsy, has deflated profits for companies that produce and sell them legitimately."

http://www.stitches-digital.com/article/Intellectual+Property+Copyright+Is+Might/587572/56485/article.html

It's quite ironic to see Bernina on the other side of the issue, given the above information.


S.G.


1200
Has anybody taken notice that in the case of masterfile vs. Country Cycling, that the exclusive licensing of the images from the artists to MF seems a bit fishy?
While there is a date at the top of the documents (January 1, 2006), there's no date written where the parties involved signed the document near the end.

It seems to me that the ''boilerplate" document was probably drawn up for the year 2006.
However, there's nothing to indicate when the document was actually agreed to and signed between MF and the two artists.
I find it unlikely that it was actually ratified on a national holiday; January 1st.
Therefore, this document could have been signed after the alleged infringement by Country Cycling.

It's situations like this that make one question what kind of company masterfile really is.
In addition, it's something that Country Cycling could have brought to the court's attention, had they attended the hearing.

S.G.


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