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Getty Images Letter Forum / Upcoming "The ELI Factor" recording
« on: July 02, 2012, 03:59:57 PM »
In the past, we have always recorded ELI updates without a live audience. We will still create new episodes without a live audience especially when I do have guests and co-hosts which require me to use the Ooovoo.com software.

However, I would like episodes that have some interaction with the ELI community.

I know some of you may not be interested in being "on camera". That is fine, Ustream allows for "live chat" interaction using an anonymous account name while the show is being "livecasted". Additionally, questions and comments can be directed to the Twitter @extortionletter account while the the show is being recorded "live".

I want to invite ELI community members to the live session when I announce a schedule.

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/eli-factor

I am guessing that weekday evenings are the best for most people.  I am guessing a start time of 8pm or 9pm EST is best to try to accommodate the West Coasters (Pacific time) and their 3-hour time difference from where I am in the East Coast (New York time)

It isn't really possible to pick a time to please everyone given our worldwide readership.  But I will try to work towards those who want to find out who are committed enough to post preferences or suggestions.

All "livecasts" will be recorded and will likely be re-edited and condensed into a standalone episode.

If I do have special guests/co-hosts on video using Oovoo, the only way to direct questions to us is through the Twitter feed.

However, if I am hosting the show alone, I will be using the Ustream website and chat feature in addition to monitoring the Twitter feed.

Let me know the best days and time for you to attend a "livecast" session if you are interested.

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One idea I like was originated by April Brown regarding involving the FTC in determining how copyright infringement claims should work.

There are a set of rules set by the FTC that Debt Collectors follow. It seems like a logical extension that the FTC could be convinced to change how copyright infringement claims should work.

I believe there has to be sufficient mass to compel change.  The biggest copyright extortionists are those involved in the P2P/Bittorrent realm right now.  I follow FightCopyrightTrolls.com and DieTrollDie.com as they are ELI counterparts in their own specialties.

The good news is that judges are getting fed up with the P2P/Bittorrent abusive lawsuits. That gets so much attention, it drowns out the extortion letter dilemma.

Well after searching the forum I see that the idea of a class action suit is hardly new. It's hard for me to believe it would be considered legal to be basically harass people they know they have no legal claim against just to extort money, as this case pretty well is an example of, as well as mine - so I would think it would be possible to make a case for damages in those cases.
But I'm not a lawyer so i'm sure Oscar would know better.

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I disagree on the very last article, this lawsuit thing being something that backfired.

Carreon made Inman a bigger hero than ever and helping Inman earn even more money and fame.  Although a time-suck and slightly inconvenient, he is in a great position and this is going to do wonders for Inman. It is giving him millions of dollars marketing coverage and fame. He is on the right side of this fight.

I would gladly step into Matthew Inman's shoes lawsuit and all.

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I wanted to make a quick announcement and I will get into more details later.

For a variety of reasons, I have decided the the ELI Video Updates will come to an end.  The ELI Video updates were originally meant to be periodic updates to the 2008 telephone interviews and 2009 videos Oscar and I recorded a few years back.

However, quite a lot of time has passed and over time, ELI has gotten its tentacles in way more things and topics than we ever could have imagined beyond the Getty Images Extortion Letters. Of course, our core interest is still on Getty Images Extortion Letters but any new visitor can plainly see forum discussions and blog posts have gone off in many directions. We talk about many subjects including copyright trolling, copyright extortions, significant legal cases/lawsuits, online combat strategies, etc.

Nearly all the recent "ELI Updates" videos never felt quite like "updates" anymore and I felt the title were a bit misleading.

Given these thoughts, this new "ELI Project" has been on my mind for awhile. Given a variety of circumstances, events, and observations, this ELI project will become more of a show format.  It is in some ways a continuing evolution of the ELI Updates. But this new ELI project is also a conscious choice to take things in a very new and different direction and execute on a different strategy. Now that ELI has turned 4-years old, it seems appropriate to launch something new.

Robert Krausankas has agreed to join me as a co-host in this new show. Oscar is on vacation until next week, but I presume Oscar will also join me to be an occasional co-host of the new show. Last year, Oscar and I produced several episodes of his own limited series "Courtroom Strategy". You can find these episodes on TempestBroadcasting.com or here on this Vimeo channel: http://vimeo.com/channels/courtroom

The most exciting part of this new ELI project is we will actively solicit members of the ELI community and other guests to join Robert and I on the new show.  The ELI community will have a great deal of influence on the content of many episodes. How that will happen will be kept quiet for the moment as I work through the details.

There will be times I will host the show "solo" but I expect there will be a guest or guest host joining me on most episodes.

I initially thought the show might be called "The ELI Project". The new working title is now called "The ELI Factor".

Here is the working version and teaser of the opening credits of "The ELI Factor".



Feel free to ask your questions and offer suggestions for "The ELI Factor" in this thread.

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I had to start a new thread.  As crazy as the whole Charles Carreon lawsuit against Matthew Inman has been, now enters Tara Carreon, wife of Charles Carreon.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/06/funnyjunk-lawyers-wife-wades-into-fray-calls-critics-nazi-scumbags/

One thing I will say for her, she is loyal to her man. Too bad she is also clueless. Instead of making things better, she has poured more flame to the fire.

You just have to love her choice of word when she makes her points.

http://www.techdirt.com/user/taracarreon

Allow me to share some of the goodies here.

These phaggotish, conspiratorial, childish, dorkish, baseless, mindless, shameful, dumb, aggressive, jealous, reprobate, obsessed, mad, clueless, shockingly delusional, completely lost and in trouble, bottom-of-the-barrel, short-sighted, dumb-fuck, ranting, Un-American, contemptible, obnoxious, embarrassing, incompetent, bizarre, constipated, bankrupt, hypocritical, stupid, fearful, carnivorous, wolverine, ranting, foaming at the mouth, bullying, lying, paranoid, no-better-than-the-mafia, smeghead, scumbag, cretinous, lazy, delusional, demented, narcissistic, pathological, extortionistic lunatic, thuggish drama-whores, poised on the edge of a precipice, hoisted by their own petard, their holy fucking shitballs burning inside a biplane careening toward the Statue of Liberty, rhinos raping chinchillas dressed up in unicorns' undergarments, who deserve every bad thing that happens to them, having to learn their lessons the hard way, and who I wouldn't even piss on if they were on fire (they believe in name-calling at TechDirt) claim that these types of statements are not actionable because they aren't "false facts," just "satire." Where is the dividing line?

He's a psycho-Santa with a big bag of tricks,
Ringin' a bell, and beggin' for clicks,
Psycho Santa got a itty bitty stick,
Psycho Santa, don't fall for his schtick.


"No reason whatsoever?" Why are you so retarded? You can't read? You don't think the public's donations should go to the charities they wanted them to go to? You think donation and fund-raising should be a free-for-all? You're an idiot, pure and simple. You can't see beyond your own dick.

Mike Masnick Retard Wannabe Lawyer Writer ejaculates: "Carreon tries to claim that these images actually incite Inman's followers into action:
'Inman’s followers are by and large technologically savvy young people eager to follow the latest trend, who embrace Inman’s brutal ideology of tearing you a new asshole.'


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Watch the tragedy that is called Tara Carreon respond to the adoring public. She is truly a class act.

http://www.techdirt.com/user/taracarreon

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As if Charles wasn't enough, Tara Carreon is jumping into the fray.

She actually thinks she is helping Charles here. This is truly a case of blind stupidity that just keeps giving.

The Carreons absolutely have no clue why this is happening to them. 

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/06/funnyjunk-lawyers-wife-wades-into-fray-calls-critics-nazi-scumbags/

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Boy, this Righthaven story just can't die off.  That Steve Gibson deserves to be put into the ground. Talk about a lawyer that gives a bad name to the others. Another well hated lawyer on par with Charles Carreon.

The receiver wants to "fire" Steve Gibson.

http://www.vegasinc.com/news/2012/jun/25/righthaven-receiver-moves-fire-ceo-steven-gibson/

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No problem in discussing or clarification.

First, no documents will be released without permission and all personal information / identifying information will continue to be redacted. However, there is always the small chance that the stock photo agency could find out who they are. However, most of us know that there is  really no meaningful impact even if they know who sent in the information.

Second, most of the people who voluntarily send in information do so with the expectation of receiving some response or help from us. It is sort of a quid pro quo. If it is something we have seen before, I simply don't use it and tell the person it is nothing we can use. In that case, he needs to go through traditional Help & Support channels (ELI Support Call or Defense Letter Program.)

If it is something really "new" as in the case of the Jennifer Sherrouse case, I typically reach out. I did correspond with  "John" a bit, the letter recipient, before I ultimately called him. John got 30 minutes with me for no charge because I found out Evan was trying to get vindictive against John. If John had not had the good sense to inform me of what went down, I would never have wrote the scathing follow-up against both Jennifer and Evan. I think John did the right John because Jennifer and Evan have so much more to lose reputationally than John does.  I saw the emails and wasn't going to let Jennifer and Evan get away with it.

John was concerned with my approach and didn't really understand the huge significance of the information he gave me. He did not understand how it could be "useful" to him. It was only when I wrote the open letters about Jennifer and Evan that he seemed to "get it" that Jennifer and Evan really had more to lose with everything fully coming out than John did.

It is a bit of a delicate balance because the people sending information are typically fear-based and new to all this. Many aren't exactly jumping to spend The $200-$250 for Oscar's help either.  They can't really tell if what information they have is helpful or not. It isn't until I see the documents and information that I can really know if it is truly significant. In the case of John, what he shared in a public post piqued my interest and I followed up.

However, sometimes things "go wrong" as in the case of Peter Holt's letter recipient "Dave" who was a web developer last year.  I explained to Dave that by coming out with Peter's letter, putting the letter out with ELI, and standing up would likely push Peter Holt back. However, it resulted in Peter Holt accusing Oscar and I of defamation which we publicly responded to and a time suck. I told Dave there was no guarantees it would work but it would cost him nothing and he could still hire Oscar at anytime.

Peter Holt ultimately "retaliated" with another letter to Dave and told him the settlement would now be higher.  Peter disappeared for a few months during the whole Julie Stewart fiasco. Dave later came back in a frantic because his client received another letter. After a few email exchanges where I tried to tell him it was a calculated risk that worked for a while, he basically said I made it worse for him and his client. That set me off in a big way.

That is when I blasted Dave and called him an idiot fully copying Oscar on the email.  Like so many others, his own ignorance and lack of spine allowed a letter to possess him. He also wanted "free", but was too cheap, and didn't want to pay for Oscar's help then.  He wanted to play it out but he had no ability to hold it together.  But he blamed me when the Peter came back to knock on his door. If he hired Oscar originally, it would have been a non-issue even if he shared the letter publicly.  I believe it might have been 1 or 2 images with HAN and HAN had no history of filing lawsuits on anyone but Dave couldn't see that.

Ultimately, he did hire Oscar because he never "got it" and I told him he was too stupid and spineless to help and I wanted nothing to do with him. By that point, Oscar was his only option for help since he had zero ability to handle it himself.

It was Dave, Dieselfish, and another guy who somehow got it in their heads that because I was interested in sharing their documents (which ultimately would have helped their own cases in a big way if they had the first fucking clue how to play it) that they felt like they had "leverage" with me and wanted to use it to "barter" with me. 

I would try to help them in a very unique ELI way but they wanted "guarantees" which most of us know there are none except by paying the money. No matter how many times you say it, some still don't listen. They live in a bubble and only focused on what they want, not facing the reality of how extortions work. They can't see that the universe doesn't revolve around their one little case out of thousands.  They think they are so "special" they will be targeted for a lawsuit.  However, there is one small "guarantee" you can get.  Hire Oscar to stop all the letters but they are too cheap to hire him and yet complain when more letters arrive later. These are the absolute worst people to try to help because they contribute very little and complain a lot. They want someone else to take the arrows for them.

The people who have been the most problematic have been the cheapest people and didn't want to hire Oscar and their fears were nearly irrational. However, there are some who are genuinely pissed and they send in their information as payback against the extortionists. Needless to say, I get along with those folks the best and it works out great.

ELI is interested in reporting and helping but we won't be held hostage by anyone especially someone who is new to the game.  We cannot constantly be thinking about the irrational fears of those people who send us information. ELI has unquestionably affected lots of changes but the newbies have no clue how easy they now have it now vs. 4 years ago.  There are really many ways to fight it but most don't have the creativity, spine, or perseverance to pull it off. If they are that concerned about the extortionists of asking for help then they should stay silent, don't post on the ELI Forums, and go handle it themselves.

Even on the ELI Forums posting anonymously, letter recipients have to share enough information for anyone to help them. If there is something distinctive and they share that fact, they already run the risk without ever having contacted or submitted ELI.

The Linda Ellis/Dash Poem Forum has nearly come to a dead halt after a blazing 3 weeks. You know why?  Those letter recipients and victims don't share anything and there is nothing more to discuss or share.

No one has to share any stories, information, or documents but they will have to depend on themselves and what already exists on the ELI Forums or they will have to use the ELI Support Calls or Defense Letter Program.  There is no way any letter recipient can get any help without stepping out and sharing their story or information.

With the exception of Oscar, none of us in the ELI Community are attorneys.  We don't play by the same rules as attorneys.  We can't play by the same rules if we expect to push back most attorneys.  ELI has shared many strategies to equalize the fight.  Taking the secrecy out and publicly reporting in detail of what goes on behind closed doors of the extortionists is a great way to fight back.

That is ELI's greatest tool in concert with uniting with like minds as we do within the ELI community. I spearhead certain efforts but no way I could do everything. Gathering, analyzing, and reporting information is one of my biggest assets. Along with creating unorthodox strategies as additional tools to fight back.

So back to the original concerns. Most of the rules for sharing documents and preserving privacy has not changed. But we won't let anyone intentionally hold ELI hostage in withholding important information that helps the greater cause. We will still do everything we can to alleviate and acknowledge the concerns of those who submit information to us. But we cannot work at the lowest common denominator.  If we worked at the lowest common denominator, no way ELI could have grown the way it has and attained the influence it has.

If you are not convinced, go look to the eerie silence with the Linda Ellis/Dash Poem extortions. That is what happens when EVERYONE is so scared they clam up entirely. Team Linda has resumed their ways but not much ELI can do at the moment.  I have little sympathy for the victims because no one is saying or reporting anything.

As much as I, April, and the rest of you guys have helped to stand up to Team Linda, we aren't the victims. The silent ones are.

Sorry for the length of this post. It is obviously a loaded topic which I wanted to make very clear where I stand and why I take the position I do. It isn't for trivial reasons I can assure you.

Good interview as always!!

Something that's quite important was touched on in the interview.
It was my understanding that in the past, info/documents sent to ELI were treated as confidential, unless the sender said that it was ok for them to be released.
If I heard correctly, this has changed.  I know that there was never any formal confidentiality agreement, but, this is a significant change in procedure.

While there is no onus on ELI or its owner to keep things confidential, it's my opinion that permission should be sought before posting anything that was sent "privately".
Additionally, info may have been sent to ELI in the past by its participants under the assumption of confidentiality under the old (albeit informal) terms.

I know that less interesting news may be released if confidentiality is stricter.
On the other hand, participants may be hesitant to submit information that's valuable to the cause, even if it can't be broadcast on the forum.
We haven't had many Linda Ellis victims come forward, for example.

Those are only my opinions.  But, I think that this merits discussion, or least clarification.

S.G.

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Photo Attorney Carolyn Wright complained about the insanely heavy-handed GoDaddy DMCA takedown policies where they take down ALL your websites, not just the offending page or website.. Apparently, she was an unintended victim of her own demand letter by another photographer.

Carolyn speaks 17 minutes into the video. So you can jump forward there.



It appears she smartly moved away from GoDaddy for webhosting.

It appears ELI and Carolyn agree on GoDaddy. Amazing.

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Isn't it interesting that how through two sets of eyes, we look at the cases in very different lights and focus on different things?

In this narrow instance, Carolyn and I do agree that the web developers are no longer off the hook anymore as we previously thought. Nevertheless, as a practical matter, copyright infringement lawsuits in small cases are still very much a waste of time and a huge expense. It is almost always a net loss.  A "paper win" but ultimately a "financial loss".

http://www.photoattorney.com/?p=3686

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Robert and I couldn't stand it that we had a backlog of updates and commentary we felt a video update was in order.

Although, it was a longer video update (nearly an hour), I rushed to touch on many topics. We will likely have to revisit the topics again sometime in the near future. I hate rushing.

However, for the first time ever, everyone gets to see Robert where a shirt and tie!

Also, I think Robert had a revelation.... He is feeling way more comfortable in front of a video camera.  You know what that means.  More Robert appearances in future ELI Updates!



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Getty Images Letter Forum / Photo Attorney Collections Fee
« on: June 23, 2012, 10:59:14 PM »
The Photo Attorney website is full of helpful information. The current collection fee for Photo Attorney and Carolyn E. Wright's crew of youngling lawyers is shown on this page.  Point 5. Copyright Infringement Claim Package.

http://www.photoattorney.com/?page_id=561

I have frequently said that the collection split is somewhere in the 35%-40% for the collection lawyer. And I am close to the mark with these published collection fees for Photo Attorney.

It is 1/3 of the "damages" collected plus expenses BEFORE a lawsuit.

It is then 45% of the "damages" collected plus expenses AFTER a lawsuit.


If the information suddenly vanishes from the page, I will post the screen shot here.

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I have to thank Photo Attorney for this one. Their website is one that just keeps giving. I just love taking a stated benefit used by the opposition, reversing that benefit, and throwing it back in the face.

Well, get ready for a cream-pie-in-their-face session. It's a little long but you guys will love this. If you don't want to read all this, jump to the very last few paragraphs. It is all you need to know to understand why this case is such a big deal.

Carolyn E. Wright's small mention in Point 1 of this post http://www.photoattorney.com/?p=3866 states:

For example, in Corbis Corp. v. Nick Starr, the court awarded the plaintiff more than $100,000 for the copyright infringement and attorneys’ fees. In that case, a small local business hired a web designer to build the business’ website. Because the web designer used Corbis’ photos without a license, the Court held that both the web designer and the business owner were jointly liable for the infringement.

I thought to myself, "Why have I not heard of this Corbis lawsuit before if it was such a huge win for the stock photo companies?"

If it was such a big deal, I am guessing that every copyright extortion attorney in the U.S. would have used this case and clubbed it over every extortion letter recipient. Well, it turns out things are not what they seem.

Carolyn E. Wright is technically correct but she is not telling the full story. The details is what pretty much destroys this "winning case".

First off, you guys need to read the 3 critical case rulings relating to the Corbis vs. Nick Starr case. You need to also read these in chronological order to fully understand my analysis.

September 2, 2009
http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=9868916324876924961&q=corbis+vs.+starr&hl=en&as_sdt=80003

June 25, 2010
http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=305916010928355284&q=corbis+vs.+starr&hl=en&as_sdt=80003

September 3, 2010
http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=12341933908994271521&q=corbis+vs.+starr&hl=en&as_sdt=80003


In the September 2, 2009 ruling, the judge did find the web developer to be "directly liable for copyright infringement as a matter of law". In the past, we have said that the web developer has no liability by virtue of the fact that the website is owned by the domain owner. The thought was that domain owner owns the website and that they bear the ultimately responsibility.  But it appears this line of thinking is no longer true especially in those cases where the client entirely relies upon the web developer for producing the website content. (I have not yet conferred with Oscar Michelen on this but I at this moment, I am changing my previous position.)  Web developers who entirely create, develop, and manage websites for technically unsophisticated clients appear to have some degree of responsibility and liability for alleged infringements. Web developers can try to "run away" but the client is potentially able to drag them back into the conflict.

The clients who hired the web developed was found to be "vicariously liable for" the web developer's "copyright infringement as a matter of law". The judge felt that the client had the right and ability to stop the copyright infringement but failed to do so.  The client also had a financial interest in the images.

Corbis obviously felt the infringement was willful and said the images had a digital watermark which the defendants removed. However, the court felt they didn't prove that point and there was no way of telling where the image originally came from. Because of this uncertainty, the court could not find "they acted willfully as a matter of law."

Corbis accused the defendants for not confirming "the legal propriety of the pictures, they acted with reckless disregard of the Copyright Act." The court disagreed because it is only "one relevant factor in assessing willfulness." The reason why had to disagree with that point was the fact that "nearly all instances of copyright infringement would be willful, even the most ignorant and innocent."

At the conclusion of this ruling, the issue of the web developer's direct infringement, the client's vicarious infringement, and both defendants' joint and several liability.

The issue of attorney's fees would be continued later.


In the June 25, 2010 ruling, the issue at hand was determining costs and attorneys' fees.  The court pointed out that at THEIR DISCRETION "allow the recover of full costs by or against any party" and that they "may also award a REASONABLE attorney's fee to the prevailing party as party of the costs."

The court pointed out that the key requirement for an award of attorneys fees is that the documentation be of sufficient detail in support of hours charged and the value associated with those hours. There also has to be a high degree of certainty that the hours reported were actually and reasonably expended. That means that the winning attorney cannot just arbitrarily make up hours, values, and frivolous tasks.  All of these items would be reviewed by the court.

The court also pointed out that items lumped into billing on a daily basis vs. an hourly or other more detailed basis makes it impossible to determine the amount of time and reasonableness of each task.

The court found that the Corbis attorneys invoices to be inadequate and provided little detail. The court ordered the Corbis attorneys to provide invoices that listed the attorney, a description of the work, and the time spent on the work.


In the September 3, 20102 ruling, Corbis sought an award of costs and attorneys' fees in the amount of $237,569.70 ($238K). The judge allowed attorney's fees of $75,880.50 ($76K) and costs of $19,762.13 ($20K) totaling $95,642.63 ($96K).  Essentially, Corbis was awarded only 40% of what they requested!

It also stated that during the 4-day trial on determining damages, the jury awarded Corbis a measly $14,280 for 4 images (or $3,570 per image).  While costly, it is certainly not anywhere close to the ridiculous $30,000 that has been often stated in extortion letters.

There were several issues discussed to arrive at that conclusion.

The court ruled that Corbis was the "prevailing party" despite the argument by the defendants Corbis did not prevail in all the issues.

The court felt they needed to look into the "Fogerty Factors". "This nonexclusive list of factors includes: "'frivolousness, motivation, objective unreasonableness (both in the factual and in the legal components of the case) and the need in particular circumstances to advance considerations of compensation and deterrence.'"

"Because the list of factors is nonexclusive, 'not every factor must weigh in favor of the prevailing party and other factors may be considered as well.'"


The court found that the defendants were NOT frivolous or objectively unreasonable. However, the court felt that some award of attorneys' fees was appropriate in this case.

The court stated that "Corbis is not, however, automatically entitled to its actual attorneys' fees under the Copyright Act, but rather "a reasonable attorney's fee". This statement is tremendously huge and significant!

The court used a "lodestar" approach which is determined by multiplying "the number of hours reasonably expended on the litigation . . . by a reasonable hourly rate."

"After calculating this amount, the court should consider the factors mentioned in Fogerty and review the documentation relating to hours expended and the prevailing market rate for the work."  This is another huge and significant point.  Not what was actually paid but what the prevailing market rate is for the work!

Corbis was charged $200-$295 for associates and $505-$595/hour for the partner working on the case.

The court did NOT find that reasonable even if Corbis actually paid those hourly rates!

The court stated: A leading treatise notes that the attorney fee provision in the Copyright Act "does not authorize an award of the actual attorney's fee whatever it may be, but only of a `reasonable' attorney's fee." This amount may be "less than the fee that would be proper between client and attorney."

Pow, bang, another big hit against Corbis.

The court found: "In other cases involving counsel of varying levels of experience, I and other courts have found reasonable hourly rates for the Toledo area[9] in the range of $165-$350/hour for lead counsel or a partner, and in the range of $150-$200/hour for co-counsel or an associate."

Based on the information before me regarding counsel's experience, prior case law, and my knowledge of the rates charged by counsel in the Toledo area, I find that reasonable hourly rates in this case are: $350/hour for Zych; $170/hour for Ridings and Sherban; $180/hour for Roach; $150/hour for Mirshak, Ritzert and Brosky; $120/hour for Yonker (a law clerk); and $75/hour for McCready (a staff person).


Ouch for Corbis! The judge based his calculation on "market rates" for attorneys fees from the local Toledo, Ohio area (where the defendants are from) despite the fact that Corbis is based in Seattle, Washington.

The court found that Corbis "sufficiently demonstrated that most hours worked were actually and reasonably expended."

Corbis included the costs to fly two attorneys to both Seattle and New York to prepare witnesses for trial (both billing travel costs, travel time, and witness preparation.)

The court stated: "I find the costs of these two trips are excessive and should not be entirely borne by defendants. I thus eliminate the fees for this trip for one attorney — Zych — while permitting the fees for the other — Ridings.

The lodestar attorney fee amount is thus $126,467.50"


But that is not the end of it. 

The court stated: The product of reasonable hours times a reasonable rate does not end the inquiry. "There remain other considerations that may lead [me] to adjust the fee upward or downward." I may adjust the lodestar based on what is "reasonable under the circumstances" of the specific case." These considerations include: 1) the degree of success achieved by the prevailing party, 2) the relative complexity of the litigation, 3) the relative financial strength of the parties, id.; 4) the damages awarded, id.; and 5) whether the losing party acted in bad faith.

While Corbis clearly prevailed in its copyright infringement action, "its present victory results in a monetary recovery far less than what it sought." This litigation was, additionally, not complex.

I therefore find that a further forty percent reduction of the lodestar amount is appropriate to "award only the amount of fees that is reasonable in relation to the success obtained." and in light of the relative level of complexity of the case and the damages awarded.


The court further reduced his calculation of attorneys fees by another 40% because Corbis spent too much time and made it too complicated on this case!  LOL!

Hence, The court awarded Corbis only $75,880.50 in reasonable attorneys fees out of the $217,276.29 Corbis actually spent in attorneys fees. The recovery of attorney fees was only a measly 34.9% or just a little more than a third of what they actually spent! A big fat ouch here!


Regarding Corbis costs, Corbis requested $22,293.41.  These costs include phone charges, filing fees, service of process costs, electronic legal research costs, photo copies, mailing expenses and attorney travel, lodging and food expenses. Defendants specifically object to the costs incurred for: 1) depositions; and 2) witness preparation.

The court did "agree with defendants' objection to the costs related to witness preparation. I thus reduce by half the costs billed for both the Seattle and New York witness preparation trips."

Another Ouch against Corbis.


The court awarded Corbis costs in the amount of $19,762.13 out of the $22,293.41 they spent on costs. Corbis recovered 88.6% of its costs. Not bad but still a net loss.

SUMMARY
Carolyn E. Wright, through her Photo Attorney blog mention, paints this case as a win on her blog. However, when you dig down further into the details, it was a very huge, expensive, and costly "win" for Corbis.

On paper, they "won" $14,350 in statutory damages ($3,570 per image). A far cry from the $30,000 per infringement. They also recovered $75,880.50 in attorneys fees and $19,762.13K in costs. All total they "won" $109,992.63 ($110K).

And what did it take (cost) to "win" that total of $110K against the two defendants? It cost Corbis a staggering $238K (nearly a quarter million dollars) to win $14K in statutory damages!

Assuming Corbis collected the entire judgment from the defendants, Corbis still lost $127,577.07 in the whole deal, not to mention the two years of energy, stress, and employee distraction it took to litigate this.


How many photographers do you know are willing and able to spend 6-figures to win a copyright infringement case? That is why I say the people who settle for extortionate amounts are both legally ignorant, dumb, and spineless.

It is safe to say the ONLY parties that won were the attorneys on both sides.

Good job, Carolyn in quoting this "winning" case. ELI will be talking about this "winning" case for some time to come.


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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: My Response Letter to NCS
« on: June 23, 2012, 01:36:43 AM »
The original post has been corrected to the new link on Scribd.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/71252305/Fair-Debt-Collection-Practices-Act-ELI-Highlights

You have to download the file to actually see the highlighted text. A Scribd feature bug that doesn't work well with Adobe Acrobat highlights.

Thanks BuddhaPi.  I don’t remember seeing this thread as I went back over past entries  I have found and read the FDCP before while doing research for my case if it goes there but as usual Matthew sums it up beautifully.

Just an FYI the http://extortionletterinfo.com/eli-fdcpa.pdf Link in the article comes up as a 404 not found.


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