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Messages - Robert Krausankas (BuddhaPi)

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and the list grows...yeah i know this is really just a thread bump..I'll have more to add from the pile of complaints tho...

welcome to the copyright troll club Copyright Compliance Specialist Janea Davis

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Getty did not pursue me.
« on: August 02, 2012, 01:40:57 PM »
Agreed, sometimes they choose their battles, and this is a prime example of a losing proposition!

and I get to add another new name to the master list of copyright trolls!

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: GETTY IMAGES CONTRIBUTOR AGREEMENT
« on: August 02, 2012, 01:33:34 PM »
In addition to what Greg said, they don't want us "non-legal" types to rip apart their agreement, nor do they want ELI linking to it, thus using their bandwidth, altho this seems fine for picscout to steal our bandwidth...

I can visualize Lisa Wilmer sitting at her desk for yet another day, then going home to whomever..

whomever: how was you day dear?
Lisa: oh just another day in the trenches, sending out extortion letters and dealing with those thorns in my side at ELI. They just won't seem to go away..
 




Much Getty butthurt detected.
I don't see what the point is of taking it down.
But, whatever makes them feel better.

S.G.

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: GETTY IMAGES CONTRIBUTOR AGREEMENT
« on: August 02, 2012, 09:29:52 AM »
Yeah, that's "odd" that shortly after referring and commenting on it it disappeared...just so happens, they left this link intact for us to continue using

https://contribute.gettyimages.com/olc/agreement_form/sample_agreement

when they remove/change this one I guess I'll be forced to upload it to scribd, which I'll do anyway...If nothing else it appears Lisa Wilmer or someone at Getty is visiting us on a regular basis..

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: An Experiment Against Getty
« on: August 02, 2012, 06:49:12 AM »
Nice reply, something like this should also go to the AG to be added to the public record even thought they consider the case closed after Getty's response..

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Another Victim
« on: August 01, 2012, 05:39:42 PM »
NOW YOU'RE TALKIN!!!
In regards to email I would DEMAND they no longer contact you in this manner..let those cheap bastards buy a stamp!

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going to there web-site and pulling up the picture means NOTHING, NADA, ZILCH, we even seen at least one case, where the artist severed all ties with Getty, yet they still showed her image and send a demand letter..

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I would cease ALL email communication with them, DEMAND they send anything else via USPS...you're making it to easy on them, and don't be ashamed to throw Douglas Biekers' names out there, he's well known here as are some of the the kool-aid drinking @#$%tards that work for Getty Images..

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Good find MC!! This could also potentially effect picscout I would think..Picscout scours your server for images, finds one, then finds a page on which the image is used, thus creating a screen capture we see in letters. This screenshot does not prove that the page in question was a "public facing" page, not does it prove that said page could be reached thru any navigational elements contained within the site.. Hell I have loads of pages on my server that are no longer used and not tied to the site in any way shape or form...this could certainly be a valid argument in my eyes.

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For those that don't have the gumption to dig thru 1200 pages of complaints filled with a lot of garbage, I've taken the time to go thru every complaint and make a single file for each. Each file contains the following:
1. Initial Complaint
2. Complaint Letter if included
3. Getty Responce if included

you can access the files at the below link and they will also be included in the scribd library at some point.

http://copyright-trolls.com/culled/

NOTE: file #14 is not complaint related but contains information from the CopyRight COWard Timothy McCormacks site as well as ELI references that were included in a complaint..

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Except when we are right, which just happens to be NEVER!

FYI- purchasing and reading diet books and nutritional books, doesn't do a damn bit of good if all you do is sit yous ass on the couch and read them...just sayin..

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I love this paragraph so much I just had to post..

"You know what the difference is between extortion and a settlement? The lawsuit. There's substantial evidence that the plaintiffs filing these suits had little interest in bringing them to trial and were instead attempting to make a quick buck through scary language and pressure tactics"

http://hothardware.com/News/When-Porn-Copyright-Trolls-Attack-And-Judges-Fight-Back/

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haha you're married so you should know we're ALWAYS wrong!

My thoughts were the same as yours until my wife started one of these gimmicks. She has lost 40 lbs in the last 4 months. I guess I was wrong.

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This post relates directly to filing a complaint against Getty Images with the Washington State Attorney General.
Other states may have different systems and or methods. At some point there will be a thread dedicated to "crafting" a compelling and purposeful complaint. I use the word "crafting" because you don't want to just create a form letter complaint, but more on that later.

After reviewing literally hundreds of pages of complaints, it is clear how the system works, and there is a lot to be learned from these documents..
I will add some of my own comments and thoughts after each section / complaint excerp.

Without further ado let's get right down to what to expect when you file your complaint against Getty Images.

You can file your complaint here: http://www.atg.wa.gov/fileacomplaint.aspx
I prefer the "By Mail" option, as I think good old snail mail carries a little more weight..

Once you submit your complaint you can expect a response from the AG Office similar to the following, confirming reciept.
( these excerps are from actual complaints, and have not been re-dacted as they are a matter of public record)
http://copyright-trolls.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/complaint_process_1.pdf

Comments: The single most important portion of this excerp is the 3rd & 4th paragraphs, do not request them to settle this for you, it's not their job, and your complaint should not contain any questions, but just the facts clearly spelled out, again we'll get into this more in an upcoming thread.

At this time The AG office will also notify Getty Images that they recieved the complaint, thus giving Getty Images the opportunity to address the complaint.
http://copyright-trolls.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/complaint_process_2.pdf

NOTE: it is not mandatory or required that Getty Images respond in any way, they may chose to ignore the complaint, but if they do it will be reflected in the public record.

Comments: The following line of this notification is the main purpose for using the filing of a complaint with the attorney generals office, not to settle your dispute but rather to bring attention to the ways of Getty Images.
"However, complaints may indicate a pattern of unfair or deceptive trade practices warranting further attention by our office."

If Getty does not respond in a timely manner the AG will send off a gentle reminder to Getty Images, at which time they will generally respond as can be seen in these excerps from a complaint.
http://copyright-trolls.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/complaint_process_3.pdf
http://copyright-trolls.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/complaint_process_4.pdf

Comments: As noted from the other complaints, this is your standard boiler plate form letter from Getty Images, the only thing that generally varies are the concerns mentioned in the initial complaint. As with the letter ricpients, getty continually goes on the assumption that if they state the image is on their site it is therefore theirs, they offer no documentation to back this up either to the recipent or the Attorney General.
The last paragraph is I'm sad to say somewhat humorous, as it alsway claims the complaintant has not raised any valid defenses. While at the same time Getty has not shown and proof of their claims and continues to do so. They automatically throw the letter recipient / complaintant into the "guilty" category. This last paragrahs continues to state that Getty image "will continue to work with" the recipient.. What they are really saying here, is that they will continue to hound the recipient for money and threaten to escalate the matter..We seen this 100's of times over.

Getty Images probably spent a good amount of time coming up with this form letter, so that they covered their bases, but did not include anything that might raise an eyebrow at the AG office, which is just more reason to have a well crafted , attention getting complaint in the first place.

At this time the Attorney general will notify the complaintant of Getty Images response with a standard boiler plate letter, as well as notifying Getty Images that the response was sent off to the compaintant, thus closing the case.
http://copyright-trolls.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/complaint_process_5.pdf
http://copyright-trolls.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/complaint_process_6.pdf

My next endeavor will be to start commenting specifically of some of the 57 complaints, there certainly are some good nuggets worth commenting on, as well as parts we can use going forward in creating that compelling complaint to the Washington State Attorney General.

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: GETTY IMAGES CONTRIBUTOR AGREEMENT
« on: July 30, 2012, 07:52:46 PM »
He told me he sent it, but it might not get here, as I have israel blocked..he'll have to send it thru a proxy. In the meantime I'm going to pacer to get exhibit#4 if i can.

I think that it's a given that you should send what you have to Buddhapi, Scraggy!!
That would be great!!

S.G.

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