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Here's an article about the Pinterest/Getty battle which I find amusing. Even though the article tends to understate Getty's trolling practices, they do throw Getty CEO Jonathan Klein's doublespeak in his face, a topic that was covered on ELI some time ago:

http://www.webpronews.com/the-pinterestgetty-images-battle-2012-06

Those words must taste real good with butthurt hot sauce now that Pinterest is forcing Klein to make good on them.

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Letter from Getty on a screenshot
« on: July 04, 2012, 07:34:03 PM »
Nancy Monson is technically correct, Greg, but they do talk out of both sides of their mouth whenever it's convenient.

For example, in order to be eligible for statutory damages and other goodies, you must register the image with the copyright office within a certain time period. Otherwise, you can still enforce the copyright as the owner, but are not going to be eligible to collect the ridiculous sums Getty generally claims they're entitled to.

When they don't bother to tell you the copyright registration information and yet claim they can nail you for statutory damages and attorney's fees, they're totally talking out of both sides of their mouth.

I suspect the Getty guarantee partly addresses the liability involved with "orphaned works". S.G. and I were commenting about proposed legislation to address this issue. At the risk of being redundant, I'll quote the post here:

There is some interesting legislation being proposed for a category of works named "orphan works". Orphan works are works for which the owner is very difficult or impossible to find. The idea is that some great works are locked up in a vault and not being shared because people don't want to expose themselves to being sued if the copyright owner suddenly turns up and makes a claim. The legislation is intended to free up stuff like archival film, paintings, photographs, books and other types of work that can be copyrighted.

When I was reading the proposed legislation, it seemed to me that it would provide some balance in cases such as the HAN/VKT baitpaper images we've discussed at length. The images are being offered for free on thousands of websites, so even an honest and diligent search for a copyright owner would be incredibly difficult. VKT's bulk registrations with the Copyright Office are little or no help. A person caught using one of his images could argue that they did a reasonably diligent search for an owner and found nothing except for a mountain of evidence suggesting that the image was in the public domain. VKT would be entitled to the following:

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...we recommended a framework whereby a legitimate orphan works owner who resurfaces may bring an action for “reasonable compensation” against a qualifying user. A user does not qualify for the benefits of orphan works legislation unless he first conducts a good faith, reasonably diligent (but unsuccessful) search for the copyright owner. As defined in our Report, reasonable compensation should be the amount “a reasonable willing buyer and reasonable willing seller in the positions of the owner and user would have agreed to at the time the use commenced.”2 Such a recovery is fair because it approximates the true market value of the work. It allows a copyright owner to present evidence related to the market value of his work and, at the same time, allows the copyright user to more precisely gauge his exposure to liability. Statutory damages would not apply to use of an orphan work. (The Office agrees with copyright owners who have since suggested that an award of attorney's fees might make sense in certain instances where an orphan work user acts in bad faith.)

Source: http://www.copyright.gov/docs/regstat031308.html

This is an example of how legislators are actually trying to address some of the issues that are currently making a mess out of copyright law in the digital age, where reproduction and publishing are nearly instantaneous and there is a huge demand for content. Copyright owners must be protected, but not at the expense of fairness or worse yet, people's civil rights.

As S.G. correctly points out, this is PROPOSED legislation. For now it's still a trolling paradise out there.

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Absolutely, S.G. Nothing has changed yet and they've been talking about these changes since 2006 at the least. They're having a good conversation, but one could also say they're suffering from "analysis paralysis".

Let's hope they come up with something good. In the meantime, everybody watch out for the loophole-enabled trolls.

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Great news, Greg, thanks for posting the link!

I propose that "the Streisand Effect" be renamed "the Carreon Butthurt Syndrome."

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That's a good point, S.G. However, I think they can ask for attorney's fees as it stands now. If that's the case, the only improvement is that they only have the right to ask for those "in certain instances where an orphan works user acts in bad faith."

The "bad faith" question is a good one to raise. My take on it is that it would include (but not be limited to) actions such as ignoring a cease and desist order, falsely claim to own the copyright, or attempting to fight off the copyright owner with a frivolous lawsuit.

I'd like to clarify that this is not the current law. It's at the proposal stage and members of the US Congress as well as the US Copyright Office are still working on refining this. They have involved several key technology players such as Google and even PicScout in the conversation.

PicScout has a curious position on this proposed legislation — they seem to like it. This may be because it could create a market for present or future product of theirs. Some hardline pro-copyright-owner groups don't like it because they feel it may water down protection for the copyright owner, and they have been flaming PicScout for their position. For instance:

http://freeonline-business.blogspot.com/2012/05/picscout-delusions-of-grandeur.html

http://freeonline-business.blogspot.com/2012/05/picscout-rights-wrongs-and-facts.html

Politics make strange bedfellows, as they say.

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Letter from Getty on a screenshot
« on: July 04, 2012, 10:01:56 AM »
Getty can't even guarantee that they have the right to license an image — unless you PAY for the guarantee:

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Image Guarantee (TM)

Not every image comes with amodel or property release. Sometimes, with certain non-released imagery or footage, it’s simply not possible to find or identify a rights holder, if one even exists. So clearance just isn’t an option.

Normally, that would leave you legally unprotected – and put your ideal image out of reach. But it doesn’t have to be thatway. Based on our research,we’re often able to give you an image guarantee. Getty Images Image Guarantee services provides you with an extra layer of protection by indemnifying you against any model or property claims. For a fee based on your expected usage, Getty Images covers you completely in the event a third party comes forward tomake a claim.

Our Image Guarantee service not only protects you from liability, it dramatically expands your creative palette by broadening the range of imagery you can put to use for a whole host of commercial and promotional campaigns.

Source: http://www.gettyimages.com/images/marketing/rightsclearance/RnC.en-us.pdf

Yet they expect you to send them a check because some wanker with a law degree sends you a letter making fatuous claims accusing you of being an image thief.

Don't buy it. They know what proof they would have to show a judge. That's exactly what you should require.

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That makes 3 of us. Gotta start somewhere!

Here's an example of a book that encourages using PicScout to earn money from your photographs:

http://tinyurl.com/7opz3f2

After you read this advice which totally plugs PicScout as a monetizing tool for failed photographers and stock photo companies, please check out the table of contents.

Suggestion number 2 out of 99: "Sell Royalty-Free Photography"

Suggestion number 14 out of 99: "Turn Your Photographs Into Wallpaper"

Suggestion number 34 out of 99: "Make Image Thieves Pay You with PicScout"

I wonder how many people out there are doing this in the same order. Of course, I agree that "image thieves" should pay. The huge disagreement I have with PicScout is when they call anything they find "image thievery" as if innocent infringements didn't exist, and then use the abusive extortion letter for money instead of the civilized cease and desist letter to protect a copyright.

There is some interesting legislation being proposed for a category of works named "orphan works". Orphan works are works for which the owner is very difficult or impossible to find. The idea is that some great works are locked up in a vault and not being shared because people don't want to expose themselves to being sued if the copyright owner suddenly turns up and makes a claim. The legislation is intended to free up stuff like archival film, paintings, photographs, books and other types of work that can be copyrighted.

When I was reading the proposed legislation, it seemed to me that it would provide some balance in cases such as the HAN/VKT baitpaper images we've discussed at length. The images are being offered for free on thousands of websites, so even an honest and diligent search for a copyright owner would be incredibly difficult. VKT's bulk registrations with the Copyright Office are little or no help. A person caught using one of his images could argue that they did a reasonably diligent search for an owner and found nothing except for a mountain of evidence suggesting that the image was in the public domain. VKT would be entitled to the following:

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...we recommended a framework whereby a legitimate orphan works owner who resurfaces may bring an action for “reasonable compensation” against a qualifying user. A user does not qualify for the benefits of orphan works legislation unless he first conducts a good faith, reasonably diligent (but unsuccessful) search for the copyright owner. As defined in our Report, reasonable compensation should be the amount “a reasonable willing buyer and reasonable willing seller in the positions of the owner and user would have agreed to at the time the use commenced.”2 Such a recovery is fair because it approximates the true market value of the work. It allows a copyright owner to present evidence related to the market value of his work and, at the same time, allows the copyright user to more precisely gauge his exposure to liability. Statutory damages would not apply to use of an orphan work. (The Office agrees with copyright owners who have since suggested that an award of attorney's fees might make sense in certain instances where an orphan work user acts in bad faith.)

Source: http://www.copyright.gov/docs/regstat031308.html

This is an example of how legislators are actually trying to address some of the issues that are currently making a mess out of copyright law in the digital age, where reproduction and publishing are nearly instantaneous and there is a huge demand for content. Copyright owners must be protected, but not at the expense of fairness or worse yet, people's civil rights.

The way the trolls are handling copyright protection with innocent infringements is tantamount to treating dandruff by decapitation.

For profit, may I add.

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Getty and all of the copyright trolls are most easily defeated by never buying stock photography. This entails hiring a photographer on a "work-for-hire" arrangement so that one keeps all copyrights, or taking the images oneself.

This is not always practical or possible, so the question is where to purchase an image without exposing oneself to trolls. From what they state themselves, Getty and iStockphoto are not the best places. I've used Fotolia, but who's to say someone won't show up to dispute the copyright of an image I license from Fotolia and troll me for it anyway? I don't care if it's Fotolia's fault, I don't want to have to worry about having to defend myself in court from any clown who writes me a letter saying Fotolia screwed up and I owe them $5000.

Getting back to PicScout, the only actions they could engage in that would be illegal would be getting around passwords or other type of security measures. That is, for now. It doesn't have to stay that way.

PicScout is engaged in empowering abuse of process, no matter how much lipstick they put on that pig by claiming they're helping defend intellectual property. There's even books about monetizing photography by hiring PicScout to find people to troll for any kind of infringement! This is why these trolling companies are popping up everywhere like online pharmacies selling Viagra.

The FTC approach may be the best approach. There has to be fairness. Current law is weighted way too far in the direction of giving the copyright owner relief. So far, in fact, that it has become a legal loophole for abuse.

Of course it would be difficult to go after PicScout, especially because Getty can and will defend their favorite gill netting tool. It would take the same kind of guts and due diligence it took a small group of people to drag Getty and their trolls into court in Israel. Difficult, yes, impossible, no.

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Upcoming "The ELI Factor" recording
« on: July 02, 2012, 06:28:13 PM »
I would make my best effort to watch and participate any time you're on. Great idea, Matthew, and another great initiative.

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Here's an interesting approach ... a legal "no trespassing" notice specifically aimed at PicScout:

http://dcdirectactionnews.wordpress.com/legal-notice-to-getty-images-scanning-robot-picscout-is-not-authorized-to-access-this-site/

Forget robots.txt, how about HeyPicScoutGetYourFaceOuttaMyServer.txt ... I wonder what weight this would have in a court of law.

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Have fun wherever you are. YeeeeeHAW!

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Dude, you're an indexing machine! Thanks for the links, S.G.!

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Your comments are useful in any case, S.G.

I'm looking through the old posts regarding the PicScout question to bring myself up to date. I'm fishing for new ideas on an old topic because that's a key element in the trolling game.

Sorry if it causes veteran fatigue for some of you, please bear with us uninitiated folks in the lower ranks.

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Jerry's questions are right on the money. The specifics of the situation are rather intriguing. I was treating the matter as a hypothetical question when I offered a suggestion.

 Sometimes the devil is in the details, so I would like to clarify that my suggestion was as general as the question.

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Yes, S.G., let's bring that up again for discussion because the topic was discussed at length but not exactly resolved:

http://www.extortionletterinfo.com/forum/getty-images-letter-forum/is-picscout-legal-cyber-trespass/

Oscar makes mention of how Corbis would have let a claim go that the photographer insisted on because they would rather not risk creating "bad law" for themselves.

If a precedent is set that makes PicScout evidence inadmissible without a proper search warrant, the gill netting game is over and PicScout will be sold as penny stock because they won't be of any more use to the trolls than a team of monkeys searching the web for infringements manually.

Of course a legal challenge of PicScout on constitutional grounds would require a heroic legal effort. It ain't going to happen by itself, nor is anyone "in charge" going to do it for the consumer. The initiative has to be taken by the victims or potential victims. A lot of consumer protection law has had to be hammered into place this way, and unfortunately there are numerous victims of tort abuse or industrial negligence before any sensible regulation happens.

That fact that PicScout is "legal" at this time is not carved in stone. I think it can be challenged, but then again, I went to art school so those who went to law school can educate me about it. I can handle the truth.

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