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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: An Experiment Against Getty
« on: February 21, 2013, 01:16:59 PM »
This is interesting.  This flicker account shows that image and lists it as copyrighted by


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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: An Experiment Against Getty
« on: February 20, 2013, 04:46:52 PM »
Boy that image is copied all over the place:
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbs=simg:CAESXRpbCxCo1NgEGgIICgwLELCMpwgaNAoyCAESDPkH6AfqB80H0AfpBxog5qdHd7m3b0aFl9r2T6SXBs2wp2o5Z3bX1IOHlJhX2QcMCxCOrv4IGgoKCAgBEgRHAiqMDA&q=resume+writing&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=0EAlUZiyIYTYqQHu24GIDw&ved=0CEIQsw4&biw=1334&bih=833#q=resume+writing&hl=en&tbs=simg:CAQSXRpbCxCo1NgEGgIICgwLELCMpwgaNAoyCAESDPkH6AfqB80H0AfpBxog5qdHd7m3b0aFl9r2T6SXBs2wp2o5Z3bX1IOHlJhX2QcMCxCOrv4IGgoKCAgBEgRHAiqMDA&tbm=isch&source=lnt&sa=X&ei=J0ElUeuNKM_vqQH81oG4BQ&ved=0CCEQpwUoAQ&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.42661473,d.aWM&fp=dac7d204fa1ac4fa&biw=1334&bih=833

The photographer is named David Gould.  There appear to be several photographers by that name.

I read Getty's response and they want to complain about someone requesting proof of copyright suggesting the person might be 'confused'.  But in fact,  it perfectly  fair for a letter recipient to try to find out if Getty has a valid and *license* permitting them to demand money.  In that context, it is certainly fair for the letter recipient to want to see a *registration* as that's not only required in court but also helps pin down whether the Getty has a valid exclusive license that would permit them to demand money on behalf of the copyright owner.

The fact that copyright exists at the moment the image is created is not particularly relevant because that fact is insufficient for *Getty* to have a right to demand money on behalf of "their client". Getty needs to be able to show that the copyright holder *is* their client and that *Getty* has a right to demand the money.  A person asking for proof of registration is hardly "confused" about copyright law. Possibly, they don't know how to word a letter to Getty-- but they know that they want proof that *Getty* has a right to demand money on behalf of whoever the copyright holder is!

 

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What a security nightmare.  You would have to be nuts to plug your lap top into an untrusted flashdrive embedded into a wall and accessible to anyone.  Unless you have a disposable lap top or the best virus protection in the world. . .

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Depend what's "typical".  You might want yahoo search, bing and a few others. If you are a blogger you might want incoming pings from blogs. You might  want feed readers visiting.  If you sell advertizing, there might be a few bots that are worth letting visit. (I don't know what they are, but they may exist.)  Many people like the wayback. (Some don't.)

But really, there are a stupendous number of things visiting. I have no idea why *anyone* outside China would want baidu spider to visit. Similar for yandex but with Russia. I don't know why anyone who is not retail wants a "shopping bot" (the kind that find good prices on retail items for people to compare) to visit. 

So, I can't say "only google" categorically. But I'd say if you pick a 'mystery' bot that visits a lot at random, chances it does you no good exceed 90%.

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I have noticed that Getty Images over the last few days has been using proxies.  Though I have a thorough listing of thier IP addresses, the other day I noticed I could still access there site though it is blocked by my firewall and using nslookup, I saw that they were using different IP addresses.  5 minutes later, it was back on the usual IP addresses.  Now using domain name to block, but they will figure a way around that too.  :(
Yes. That's why it is very difficult to block Getty. To an extent, if you really want to block Getty, you have to decide to block lots and lots and lots of stuff.  You'll end up wanting to block nearly all the serverbased seo/reputation management groups, hosting companies that welcome spammers, the amazon range-- used by lots of script kiddies-- and loads of other stuff.   For many, many, many sysadmis, blocking these is a win/win situation because very little of that stuff has any great benefit to <i>most</i> web sites. (Oh.. you'll find people who tell you they do. But those people either a) don't know what they are talking about, b) are seriously over-rating the level of benefit of things like ... of for example, "shopping bots" to the vast majority of sites which list nothing for sale,  or c) are lying.)   

But a few web sites do benefit from some of those visits and those web sites need to know which of the server-supported sites visit them.

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I digress... would blocking these IPs in .htaccess prevent them from impacting server resources?  I assume they would completely ignore robots.txt.
If blocked in .htaccess, blocking in robots.txt becomes superfluous. However, if you are blocking by IP and you miss an IP block or a robot changes IP ranges, it won't work. robots.txt might-- if the bot obeys it (which it may not.)

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There is no method of blocking scrapers that would be sufficient to protect you if you were violating copyright.  If a resource is on the web, you can't be certain no one can get to it. 

The main reasons to block are (a) to raise their costs of scraping, (b) to lower you costs of hosting, (c) just to keep them off because they irritate the heck out of you or similar.

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: information to send or not to send
« on: January 30, 2013, 03:26:09 PM »
Funny your saying "as an IT person".  Honestly, I don't think Oscar is really a bit "IT" sort. The letter mignt contain some sort of legal boilerplate, but really not so much.

I think the letter program goes like this:
1) You hire Oscar under letter program and then send all relevant information to Oscar's office.  An assistant might be the one things get sent to, but that person is in Oscars office.

2) Oscar might have some conversation with you to clarify whatever might need clarification.

3) Oscar reviews the facts of the case based on the information you provided him and then drawing on his expertise in copyright law and his knowledge of Getty's history and practices,  writes *a letter tailored to your specific circumstances*.

4) Because Oscar is representing you and contacted Getty on your behalf, Getty may no longer contact you. If they wish to negotiate further, they must contact *Oscar*. This is US law-- once you have an attorney involved Getty can't go around your attorney and contact you.  (For many people, this is one of the major benefits of the program.)

5) Often, Getty makes no further contact. At. All. Not even to Oscar. 

6) Sometimes Getty will make further contact- but they have to contact Oscar.  They know Oscar is familiar with the law, what typical judgments are and so know that some of the fear tactics aren't going to work.   I *think* the letter program covers a 2nd letter *if necessary*.  This 2nd letter almost never happens because Getty usually drops it the moment they know that they are dealing with Oscar instead of someone they can scare into sending $800-$1000.  Moreover, Getty knows that if they do ultimately file a case, and the court rules against them in a copyright case, the court can also award the defendant legal costs. So even though they like to try to strike fear in the hearts of letter recipients by telling you how much you could lose, they know losing a legal case could be very expensive for them too.

7) Any letter beyond 2 would be extra money for the letter program recipient.  If Getty actually files a lawsuit-- once again, that would be a cost.

Oscar or others can correct if I've mis-represented the letter program. But this has been my impression. It's designed to give Getty Letter recipients a good value without suggesting that Oscar would through himself in body and soul to the point of taking your case to the US Supreme Court at the price of writing a letter.

So: Hypothetically, if your case is such that Getty would find it worth while to pursue -- which they might if it turned out you happened to be someone who copied the full Getty portfolio and was offering illicit licenses for free or something like that-- then Oscars program is going to get you a letter and possibly some advice about your case.  But as a practical matter, for the typical letter recipient, Oscar writing a letter tailored to their case, Getty goes hunting for other game.  But no one can really promise this will happen.  After all: Getty still gets to decide what Getty is going to do, and they could suddenly behave differently. Not likely-- but not impossible either.



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ZBblock will not block image agents *on it's own*. But once you have it up and running, you can do things to make it block image agents. The difficulty is that
1) It's a little complicated and it's not worth explaining how to do it unless someone first wants to use ZBblock and understands what it does.
2) Someone is willing to fiddle with .htaccess fairly frequently.
3) Someone is willing to burn the cpu/memory to turn image handling into a dynamic process instead of a static process and
4) You (likely) can't achieve perfection.

Because of this, I've never fully explained how to use ZBblock to protect images.

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Oddly-- I don't know much on updates because I block so many things at Cloudflare. So few things scrape my images in obvious ways, and now very few agent visit with "no referrer/no user agent" pairs (which was a symptom of Image Search).  I think you have to ban lots of stuff because I think image groups are now likely using accounts on many popular servers (Go Daddy, BlueHost and so forth.)


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Thanks for the update and good news Scraggy!!
There seems to be a trend in the courts wherein these huge legal demands for minor infringements are being called out as excessive.

Scraggy seems to be quite a good Mensch!!

S.G.
Cool! And the judge! Whoo hooo!  Mensch is masculine, right? So, what do we call the judge?

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I added some "webconfig" rules that Dreamhost suggested. They catch well known bad things like "timthumb" attempts etc. When that catches something, it triggers a 503 response. So.... I wrote a dynamic 503.php which calls ZBBlock, bans that IP-- and then my other script reads the killed_log.txt file in ZBBlock and bans it at Cloudflare!

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Received a Letter from Masterfile
« on: January 24, 2013, 11:43:33 AM »
I am at the worst financial place that one could possible be. I have no assets and there is nothing more I can do to produce any cash that Masterfile could lay claim to.
Well... that would make it seriously difficult for them to collect!  ::)

Still, no one needs this sort of complication in their lives. :'(

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No ELI's address is not getting tweeted often, I would like to change that however, and have been concentrating some effort into getting a bit more exposure via twitter... I'm not going to go nuts blocking bots , as I don't have the time to invest, but I will make the time if server resources are effected enough in a negative way.. This could easily be a full time job...I lalready have 2 or 3 of those..
The "don't have time to do it full time" is where ZBblock can be useful to people running smaller sites especially hobby sites and forums.  It ends up saving time resources (including human). But it's not necessarily the solution for everything.  You have access to the logs and thus situated to know if excess bot traffic is a problem for ELI.  If it is a big problem: ZBBlock is a good thing to add quickly. If it's not, then no.

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ahhhhh, there are a number of bots that come running when things are posted on twitter, it's known as a twitter swarm, most of them seem to come from amazonaws.com IPs...
ZBblock blocks most of Amazonaws.com with a few bypasses for the wayback machine and other popular with hosts services. One can then block wayback in customsigs.inc.  But many people like the wayback, so Zap has a bypass for that.

That twitterswarm can wreck havoc on a dynamic site with cheap hosting. I escalate Amazonaws.com IP blocks to cloudflare and never unblock those that got blocked.  It's just too much cpu/memory for my hobby site.

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