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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Help from the Eli Community Needed
« on: February 05, 2013, 08:56:03 AM »
Greg, I am in for $150.
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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Class action suit filed against “Getty Images Master Delegate” in Israel.
« on: February 04, 2013, 11:15:02 AM »
That sucks. But Ian, you are a fighter, and I would welcome you on my team anytime.
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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: information to send or not to send
« on: January 31, 2013, 11:17:31 AM »
Well said both Lucia and Robert.
I know that when I got into this about a year ago, I too looked at the letter program and had a number of the same thoughts that Robert did (maybe because I am also in IT). As a businessman, I knew that there was no way $195 guaranteed me that this was going to go away. If Getty wanted to push, no respectable lawyer could put in the time dealing with that for $195.
After spending a good deal of time on this forum over a year, I began to understand why the letter program works. I learned more about Getty and how they work, and trolls in general and how they work, and it made sense to me. It also began to make sense to me why most of the forum regulars said positive things about the letter program. I will admit, I was leery in the first few weeks. You have to approach everything on the internet with a healthy skepticism, and I did.
I ended up defending myself. If I had trusted the letter program then as much as I do now, I probably would have gone with that because I still have two years before my statute of limitations runs out. The $195 would have been worth it just for peace of mind.
Bottom line: I think Lucia's description does a really nice job of explaining the letter in the context of Getty and their pursuit of infringement. I do remember seeing stuff that said the best reason to do the letter program was so Getty could no longer contact you. That wasn't enough because I felt that ultimately, I was still responsible. I think we should consider merging Lucia's contextual response into the forum threads describing the letter program. It might make it easier for someone understand why the program works as well as it does.
I know that when I got into this about a year ago, I too looked at the letter program and had a number of the same thoughts that Robert did (maybe because I am also in IT). As a businessman, I knew that there was no way $195 guaranteed me that this was going to go away. If Getty wanted to push, no respectable lawyer could put in the time dealing with that for $195.
- I remember thinking that this must be some kind of computer generated response. After all, if the lawyer spends time on the phone talking to me about my particular situation, the $195 is used up.
- I remember thinking maybe this is how the lawyer gets his foot in the door for your business and then it ends up costing thousands. In almost one year, I have seen no one complain about that happening.
After spending a good deal of time on this forum over a year, I began to understand why the letter program works. I learned more about Getty and how they work, and trolls in general and how they work, and it made sense to me. It also began to make sense to me why most of the forum regulars said positive things about the letter program. I will admit, I was leery in the first few weeks. You have to approach everything on the internet with a healthy skepticism, and I did.
I ended up defending myself. If I had trusted the letter program then as much as I do now, I probably would have gone with that because I still have two years before my statute of limitations runs out. The $195 would have been worth it just for peace of mind.
Bottom line: I think Lucia's description does a really nice job of explaining the letter in the context of Getty and their pursuit of infringement. I do remember seeing stuff that said the best reason to do the letter program was so Getty could no longer contact you. That wasn't enough because I felt that ultimately, I was still responsible. I think we should consider merging Lucia's contextual response into the forum threads describing the letter program. It might make it easier for someone understand why the program works as well as it does.
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P2P/BitTorrent Lawsuits Forum / Re: P2P Troll Keith Lipscomb Need Your Help Incriminating Yourself
« on: January 29, 2013, 09:05:15 AM »
Fishing is a whole lot easier if you can get the fish to hook, clean, package, and freeze themselves.
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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: information to send or not to send
« on: January 29, 2013, 09:02:26 AM »
You should look up the images on Getty's site to see if they are rights managed or "royalty free". It is my experience that Getty pursues "royalty free" images as well. And I use quotes on that term, because it may lead someone who is not in the industry to believe that the images are free. They are not. The licensing is just less restrictive.
I like your question though. "What other industry chases you down 5 years later demanding a receipt?"
I like your question though. "What other industry chases you down 5 years later demanding a receipt?"
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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Class action suit filed against “Getty Images Master Delegate” in Israel.
« on: January 28, 2013, 03:38:21 PM »
Thanks for the news Scraggy.
I think we should nominate that judge for an ELI "person of the year" award. She righted a wrong that she saw even after a settlement had been reached. I wish all judges were like that.
I think we should nominate that judge for an ELI "person of the year" award. She righted a wrong that she saw even after a settlement had been reached. I wish all judges were like that.
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Legal Controversies Forum / Re: Now Illegal to Unlock Your Cell Phone
« on: January 28, 2013, 10:57:04 AM »
This article leads me to believe that in America, our lawmakers are bought and paid for.
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Legal Controversies Forum / Re: Why Disney might want to 'Escape From Tomorrow'
« on: January 28, 2013, 10:16:30 AM »
I think this article definitely hurts him if Disney chooses to sue. It's clear he knew he was doing stuff they wouldn't have been happy about, because he talks about it in such detail in the article.
So much for the mantra, "Never admit you did something wrong."
So much for the mantra, "Never admit you did something wrong."
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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Got the letter ....A question and my plan....
« on: January 22, 2013, 05:09:17 PM »
This is kind of interesting, a FL company chasing a Canadian for Getty. Isn't Timmy a lot closer geographically? Or does he not chase cases where "innocent infringement" might be involved outside of the U.S.?
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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Received a Letter from Masterfile
« on: January 22, 2013, 02:43:54 PM »
That is an excellent start, Unemployed.
The only thing I might consider adding is something like "I will consider any further attempts to contact me about this issue, without providing the information I requested, as harassment - and take that up with the proper authorities."
The reason I suggest this is that some of the copyright trolls out there, ignore what you send them and continue coming at you from different harassing angles. It is good to "nip this in the bud", as my old friend Barney Fife used to say.
The only thing I might consider adding is something like "I will consider any further attempts to contact me about this issue, without providing the information I requested, as harassment - and take that up with the proper authorities."
The reason I suggest this is that some of the copyright trolls out there, ignore what you send them and continue coming at you from different harassing angles. It is good to "nip this in the bud", as my old friend Barney Fife used to say.
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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Interesting Article from a Pissed Getty Contributor
« on: January 21, 2013, 05:26:45 PM »
Thanks S.G.,
I am just going to take a stab at what happened here. Perhaps someone actually sent that question in, in response to a troll letter. Maybe in their case, royalty free images were not involved. Then, when someone put up McCormack's FAQ page from questions and answers they had lying around, they took the specific response and generalized it.
Having been on this forum as long as you have, you know that you can't take much of anything McCormack says to heart. There is not much quality control in their content, or their grammar for that matter. In any case, I do not expect that just because that statement exists on their web site, it can be used as a defense in court.
This is likely just another case of their using language (improperly) to try and make them look better than they are.
I am just going to take a stab at what happened here. Perhaps someone actually sent that question in, in response to a troll letter. Maybe in their case, royalty free images were not involved. Then, when someone put up McCormack's FAQ page from questions and answers they had lying around, they took the specific response and generalized it.
Having been on this forum as long as you have, you know that you can't take much of anything McCormack says to heart. There is not much quality control in their content, or their grammar for that matter. In any case, I do not expect that just because that statement exists on their web site, it can be used as a defense in court.
This is likely just another case of their using language (improperly) to try and make them look better than they are.
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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Interesting Article from a Pissed Getty Contributor
« on: January 21, 2013, 02:48:50 PM »
They only claim that they are images represented by Getty Images. They do not claim that they are rights managed.
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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Interesting Article from a Pissed Getty Contributor
« on: January 21, 2013, 02:10:14 PM »
Soylent, I am not certain where you get the facts to back up this statement.
I am in possession of a McCormack legal letter that is about nothing but Getty Royalty Free Images. In fact, the images are all still on the Getty Royalty Free page. And their asking price is quite high.
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Traditionally, Getty hasn't pursued infringements for its royalty-free collections.
I am in possession of a McCormack legal letter that is about nothing but Getty Royalty Free Images. In fact, the images are all still on the Getty Royalty Free page. And their asking price is quite high.
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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Interesting Article from a Pissed Getty Contributor
« on: January 21, 2013, 11:00:30 AM »
I have an entirely different take on this.
What if Getty is using the Google Drive blog as their 2013 vehicle for seeding the market with images? Will the Google Drive users know that they can't take the free images elsewhere for use? Are there any protections or warnings to stop them from doing so? If they do so, will McCormack and Getty start trolling them and asking for thousands of dollars for unlicensed use?
Getty has shown itself to be on both sides of an issue in the past. Why wouldn't they give away the photos for fractions of fractions of pennies to Google Drive users and then claim the photos are worth thousands later?
What do you guys think? Am I being too paranoid?
What if Getty is using the Google Drive blog as their 2013 vehicle for seeding the market with images? Will the Google Drive users know that they can't take the free images elsewhere for use? Are there any protections or warnings to stop them from doing so? If they do so, will McCormack and Getty start trolling them and asking for thousands of dollars for unlicensed use?
Getty has shown itself to be on both sides of an issue in the past. Why wouldn't they give away the photos for fractions of fractions of pennies to Google Drive users and then claim the photos are worth thousands later?
What do you guys think? Am I being too paranoid?
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Legal Controversies Forum / Re: Calling on Congress: Time to Fix Copyright
« on: January 21, 2013, 10:47:11 AM »
I second that, Bekka.
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