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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: How many corporations get these?
« on: October 09, 2013, 05:32:46 PM »
Tinycorp,

Welcome to the forums and the wonderful world of legalized extortion letters.  Since you have contacted them I would let them know if they refuse your reasonable request for proof of claim and contact you again you will file complaints against them with the Washington State Attorney Generals office, the FTC and the Washington, Idaho and Oregon State Bar Associations where he is licensed to practice law.

Also don't not make this threat unless you:
1) Feel what they are doing is wrong. (ie: refusing to provide proof while threatening legal action)  These complaints are serious and should not be done lightly.

2) You fully intend to file the complaints if the terms of your letter are not met.

I personally feel that the way Getty and McCormack's business model is wrong and on the edge of legality and this why they never file suit unless they feel it's a slam dunk for them.

Please keep us posted on what you decide to do and the results.




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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: 20 questions interview
« on: October 06, 2013, 09:51:30 PM »
This is a great idea and I look forward to it!

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For Immediate Release:

NEW YORK ATTORNEY FIGHTS ALARMING GEORGIA CENSORSHIP CASE "PRO BONO"

Oscar Michelen, prominent litigation and intellectual property attorney of Manhattan-based Cuomo LLC, is prosecuting an appeal on behalf of anti-troll website founder, Matthew Chan. Michelen, working with Georgia firm, McKenney & Froehlich, was admitted into Georgia for this case on August 27, 2013 and is the lead counsel for Chan. Michelen is working “pro bono” to help Chan challenge and overturn a Permanent Protective Order issued against him earlier this year by Judge Frank Jordan of Muskogee County Superior Court.

Michelen filed Chan’s Appellate Brief with the Georgia Court of Appeals on September 30, 2013; he also simultaneously filed a motion to transfer the appeal to the Georgia Supreme Court because of the Constitutional issues raised in the brief.  The brief is now available online: http://goo.gl/MoTTPY

In February 2013, Chan and his anti-troll website, ExtortionLetterInfo.com (“ELI”), became embroiled in a legal battle against Linda Ellis, poet and author of “The Dash.” In her initial complaint charging Chan with stalking, Ellis claimed that Chan posted her home address, photos of her house, family information, and made death threats. All of the activity allegedly occurred on ELI.  Many of the posts Ellis complained about were made by other forum participants on ELI, not Chan himself. Ellis had never written or contacted Chan to take down the allegedly offensive posts.

There were also no allegations that Chan ever actually contacted Ellis directly or in person; Ellis discovered the offending posts when she voluntarily visited and read the ELI website. After a three-hour hearing where Chan represented himself (“pro se”) against Ellis’ attorney, Elizabeth McBride, Ellis was awarded a sweeping Permanent Protective Order against Chan requiring that he remove every single post on the ELI website referencing Ellis.

First Amendment and Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act
At the Forefront of Legal Arguments

Michelen contends that the Order violates Chan’s First Amendment rights and ignores Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, which provides immunity to website owners for other people’s content.

“I thoroughly reviewed and studied Chan’s case and the permanent protective order issued against him. The local court was excessive and ruled beyond what is legally allowed by ordering Chan to remove all 1,900 posts regarding Ellis. This protective order effectively restricts and forbids Chan and ELI readers from discussing Ellis and her business practices forever.”

In March 2013, Chan quietly removed himself as Editor-in-Chief of ELI and placed himself in self-imposed exile in protest of the overreaching protective order.  He no longer contributes, writes, or manages the website which discusses and reports on copyright trolling and other intellectual property issues. Volunteer community members have taken over the day-to-day responsibilities and the moderation of the website.

Why Michelen Is Working This Case “Pro Bono”

This Order is so unusual and sweeping in its scope and its potential negative impact so wide, Michelen volunteered to work on Chan’s case on a “pro bono” basis.

Michelen states, “ELI is an active forum very popular among its readership. The protective order has chilled and suppressed Matthew’s and his many readers’ First Amendment right to report, comment, discuss and share information with one another. If this Order remains unchanged, similar actions may be taken against other website owners and forum moderators across the Internet.”

The current Order has created unintended consequences. Michelen explains, “Matthew and the ELI readership have paid a high price for the local court’s suppression of open reporting and the exchange of information on ELI this past year. While ELI continues to operate in his absence, his readership has been deprived of his unique and distinctive style of reporting, commentary, and passionate advocacy of extortion letter victims. To have Matthew, in addition, suffer the financial burden of paying legal fees to reinstate his First Amendment rights and to reinforce the validity of Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act was very wrong to me. I felt I had to do something to help correct this injustice.”

Michelen wants website owners to learn from this case and understand why the outcome of this appeal is significant. Michelen states, “First, we cannot have website owners being held responsible for the posts of others. Second, we cannot have local courts apply local laws in disregard of the First Amendment and federal laws governing free and protected speech. To let this pass unchallenged is something I could not in good conscious allow. Finally, as legal advisor to ELI, I stand by Matthew and want to do my part to restore ELI to the way it was, a vibrant forum for discussions.”

Contact: Oscar Michelen
Email: [email protected]
Phone: 212-448-9933

Downloadable Version:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/173125835/Press-Release-10-3-13-Chan-v-Ellis-Appellate-Brief-Pro-Bono

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Masterfile Letter: Is this a Scam?
« on: October 03, 2013, 08:12:01 AM »
Good point Robert, this is the key.  You have to be willing to deal with them if you want to fight it yourself.  For me I knew I wanted to fight but everyone must decide what is best for them.

While I mostly agree with this, one other thing that should be considered, is that history tells us MF does file suit more often, and they also seem to have better registrations in place.. Truth is , if the OP doesn't have the stomach or will to continue with the back and forth, it might be best to simply hire Oscar and let him handle it.

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Masterfile Letter: Is this a Scam?
« on: October 02, 2013, 12:31:16 PM »
You also have the option of fighting it yourself. All the information is here on how to do it. If you want to fight I suggest looking at the experiment against Getty thread.

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Here is the latest update on Matthews appeal.  Oscar has filed a motion to have the case transferred to the Georgia Supreme Court due to constitutional issues involved with the case.  This motion may be vied here:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/172560318/Chan-v-Ellis-Motion-to-Transfer-Appeal-to-Georgia-Supreme-Court

Oscar has also filed his brief outlining the appeal, once again this is a beautiful piece of work.  The rules state you are limited to 30 pages and Oscar used all 30 of them.  For those of you that have read and follow Oscar's posts here on ELI, in my opinion the only thing this document is lacking is the "Here endith the lesson" at the end.  But that is usually reserved to when Oscar is giving Mr. McCormack free legal advice.  ;)


For those who want to read the brief if may be found here:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/171338394/Chan-v-Ellis-Appellant-Brief-Memorandum-of-Law

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Just Received second letter
« on: September 30, 2013, 02:33:47 PM »
No copyright information is required to go along with an image, copyright exists from the moment a photograph is taken.  However with that said there are a lot of issue with Getty, they charge for more than the fair market value of the image in our opinion, the majority of their images are not registered and the list goes on which is why this site exists.  Keep reading, your choices are what Stinger has said. 

You may ask you web designer who did it to pay for or split the defense letter cost of using Oscar.

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Getty Images Letter Forum / An Interview With Jonathan Klein
« on: September 29, 2013, 10:55:19 AM »
I just found this interview of Getty Images CEO Jonathan Klein that was in yesterdays New York Times.

It made for an interesting read.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/29/business/jonathan-klein-of-getty-images-on-useful-critiques.html?_r=0

When speaking of his father talking about managing people,
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.....he had thousands of workers in apartheid South Africa. We were brought up in a very liberal household, so he felt very strongly about what his obligations were toward his people.


Another quote from Mr. Klein's father...
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The main ones were around your word and reputation. He would always say you could spend a lifetime creating a good reputation, and you could lose it with just one bad judgment.....

His father sounded like a wise man, it is a shame Mr. Klein did not listen better,I point to this thread as an example:
http://www.extortionletterinfo.com/forum/getty-images-letter-forum/jonathan-klein-and-getty-images-a-history-of-questionable-business-practices/


As for this next quote I would like to hear what Mr. Klein's reasons are as to why his current business model of demanding amounts that courts would not award on images not registered properly while threatening legal action without providing any proof of claim. An still continuing to tell people willing to reach an amicable settlement proof of claim will only be provided when we sue you.
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I learned very quickly that titles, especially mine, do not matter, and that you have to find ways to get people to do things because they think it’s the right thing to do, and so you need to explain the reasons behind your decisions.

When speaking about the reasons employees don't work out....
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....They don’t spend enough time trying to understand the business, the people and the culture, and they reach conclusions too quickly. And then the company turns against them because they were disrespectful to what we’ve achieved, or think we’ve achieved.

I wonder how many of these people who "don't work out" are from the copyright compliance department and it is a case of "we're doing what to people?"

It is an interesting article and a good read.

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Just waiting to hear from any of them again my friend.   8)

Anyone suing a person with Martha Stewart's money and personality either has balls the size of watermelons or a brain the size of a frozen pea. I suspect the latter to be closest to the truth.

Agreed, but I also think the greedy bastards..and biatches don't pay attention to whom the letters are sent, just the number of letters sent, as the odds are in their favor of most just paying, but like we've seen with Getty every once in a while one decides to fight back, usually with good results..

I wonder if a Getty recipient decided to file suit after getting a letter, how fast Getty would rather settle, instead of answering hard questions and being fully exposed..One day that letter recipient will appear, just a matter of time.

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Welcome to the forums Geoff,

Was the attorney one who specialized in copyright and IP law?  We have seen many attorneys give the same advice you were given and they were not copyright attorneys. Please note that I am not an attorney either but I have been dealing with and studying this now for a while. 

Unfortunately Getty will continue to hound your client. At this point I can only see two options to make Getty leave your client alone 1) pay them  2) contact Oscar and use his defense letter program, for 200 bucks they will not be able to contact your client any more.

You can fight this yourself as I am doing but your client will still continue to receive letters from Getty, once Getty realizes that you do not intend to pay they will just focus on your client.

It's tough to be in your situation and I applaud you for standing up for your client, too often we see the client here who says the person who did their site will not contact them back or refuses to help them.

Know this, you and your clients situation is no where as bad as Getty makes it sound especially if it only involves one image.  Keep reading the forums and educating yourself and ask questions.

Good luck and please keep us posted as to what you decide to do.

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Good article and good find, thanks Stinger!

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Very good points Robert, thanks!

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This was just posted over on the The Getty Images Settlement Demand Letter is EXTORTION! Facebook page by Luke McConville.  Getty is being sued by a model who lives in New York, Getty sold her image to by used as the New York poster child for HIV rights.....she is not HIV positive.

Getty continues to amaze me with the crap that they continually pull.

 
http://petapixel.com/2013/09/22/model-sues-getty-seeing-hiv-positive-advertisement/

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The deadline is a scare tactic used to try and pressure you into paying so don't worry about it.  There is a lot of good information here and you can fight this yourself as I did with reading the forums and asking questions.  If you do not have the time or inclination to fight it yourself you can use Oscar's Defense letter program.

Look at letters posted that people have written.  If you want to see what to expect in the way of letters and how I fought them look at the experiment against Getty thread.  Don't panic, it is nothing like the letter makes it sound, read, get educated and ask questions and you will be fine.

--Greg

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More good stuff for my files.  Thanks for sharing!

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