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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Copyright Notice from Youtube
« on: May 14, 2012, 01:20:12 PM »
Is it just me, or is the "trolling" getting stranger and stranger?
Wouldn't it just be easier to get a job instead of what this "Farolatino" is doing? lol
If this person/entity is on Youtube, they should be banned for "trolling".
S.G.



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Artist's conception of Getty and it's CEO being crushed by turd from above.
Use is legal under "parody" and "satire". lol.

S.G.

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/3762/gettyimagescopyrighttro.jpg

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The less that you say, the better from this point on.
The person that you refer to could have licensed the image from Getty.
All these letters that people want to write aren't always such a good idea.
Let's just hope that a giant turd falls from the sky one day and crushes Getty.

S.G.


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Just another quick comment here...

Once one of these trolls "lies" to you, you're pretty much off the hook as far as payment goes.
For example, Getty's "proof" of copyright ownership/registration was fraudulent when their "proof" consisted of a screenshot of their website.
That was the the stupidest thing that they could do.  They're "experts" in this field, and that's a solid attempt to defraud someone.
That gives one proper cause NOT to pay.  They totally blew it.

S.G.


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This is hilarious.  That's their proof?
Anyway, they've given you an "out".  You don't have to pay anything.
I wouldn't write any more letters... dont waste your time on it.

S.G.

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Notification of Case Escalation
« on: May 11, 2012, 05:57:15 PM »
Nice to see that Katerina is still following the posts here, and contributing again.
Sorry to hear about your divorce, Katerina, however, I'm happy to hear that you've put that infringement issue behind you.

As copyright laws don't go into great depth about "derivative works" and "fair use" in those terms, I think that judges use recent precedents to help guide their decisions.

Readers of the forum may be interested in "The Professional Photographers Legal Handbook"
Don't ask me why it's available online like this; but that's not my concern.  Read it online, don't save it to disk, and you haven't "infringed".
http://images.mescasa.multiply.multiplycontent.com/attachment/0/Sec60AoKCCUAAEnPbSg1/The%20Professional%20Photographers%20Legal%20Handbook.pdf?key=mescasa:journal:63&nmid=231756627

Refer to page 79 "Parody as Fair Use".
In Rogers vs Koons, Koons made a sculpture of the subject matter of Roger's photo, then took a photograph of that sculpture.
Koons lost the infringement case, because the court determined that the photo of the sculpture, while "adapted in a different medium, photographs of the sculpture could harm the original photographer’s market."
My interpretation of this would be that while a painting or sculpture based on a photograph created by another artist might be permissible, the sales of photographic copies of the painting or sculpture might harm the original photographer's market, and therefore be an infringement.

The book makes a further reference to a case against Koon, in which he prevailed (based on fair use) on page 81.
In Blanch vs Koon, Koon had created a painting based on a collage made from a photograph taken by Blanch.
The court found that Koon's use of Blanch's material was "transformative"; that is "he used Blanch’s image for a 'sharply different' purpose than Blanch’s purpose in creating the image."
Additionally, the court found that Blanch's use of the photo was for a glossy magazine inclusion, but Koon's use was intended for an art gallery exhibit.
Furthermore, Blanch hadn't used or licensed her photo for use after that first magazine publication, and therefore Koon's use did not “cause any harm to her career or upset any plans” that she had for the photograph.

The book points out that the courts have begun to take greater note of the "purpose of the person making it (the transformation)", rather than the actual "nature of the transformation" (artistic medium and percentage of the original work used for example).

Again, more often than not, these sorts of things are settled out of court.
Here's a link explaining a lawsuit over a graffiti mural that appeared for a second or two in a Chrysler commercial:
http://www.partridgeiplaw.com/graffiti-and-law-copyright-%E2%80%93-framed-jennifer-lopez%E2%80%99s-fiat-commercial

Another graffiti artist has lost an infringement case against him based on a stencil "copy" of a RUN-DMC photo:
http://www.petapixel.com/2011/06/10/photographer-victorious-in-copyright-lawsuit-against-graffiti-artist/
Some analysis of the above:
http://www.streetartnews.net/2011/01/thierry-guetta-aka-mr-brainwash-sued.html

Clearly, the most uncertain (and therefore the most risky) court cases are those that "the law" really doesn't cover.
One cannot be sure of who will actually prevail in such circumstances.

S.G.

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Notification of Case Escalation
« on: May 11, 2012, 12:53:54 PM »
I agree with you Katrina.  Again, just my opinion... but I've read the "law".  The law is pretty specific.
For the most part, nothing ever comes of these things.  People paint, and nothing happens most times.

However, when somebody creates something (like a painting) and makes a lot of money from it, opportunists will attempt to "cash in", even if it's only over some photo that looks "similar".
The tactics of copyright trolls are aimed at simply forcing a settlement that's more economical for the victim than fighting in court.
When this tactic works, and the painter pays a "settlement", it doesn't matter what the law states, or whether the painter is "in the right" or not, as the troll gets what he/she wants.

On the other hand, it's quite difficult to "win" an infringement case over a "concept" as shown in the cases below:

Gentieu vs Getty:
http://www.illustratorspartnership.org/01_topics/article.php?searchterm=00135

Diodato vs Spade:
http://ny.findacase.com/research/wfrmDocViewer.aspx/xq/fac.20050927_0001342.SNY.htm/qx

S.G.

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Notification of Case Escalation
« on: May 11, 2012, 11:55:29 AM »
Katerina, my opinion is that it doesn't meet the "strict" requirements of "infringement" under law.
However, if the author of the original photo wanted "compensation" or for the painter to "cease and desist", he/she would could to go to court to argue the case if the painter didn't comply.
Then, it's up to a judge to interpret the law... and who knows what a judge would decide?
It also depends how well one can argue their case.

You may recall this case:

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/01/hope-image-flap/

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/artist-behind-obama-hope-poster-pleads-guilty-to-criminal-contempt-in-nyc/

In the above case, an out-of-court settlement was made.  That's how many of these things end up.

So, I guess that we can all agree that making a painting of a photo is sometimes risky at best.

S.G.




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Hawaiian Letters & Lawsuits Forum / Re: HAN/VKT question
« on: May 11, 2012, 11:33:27 AM »
Look, if people think H.A.N. is such a scam, don't pay them.
But, wow!!  I mean wow!!  Don't expect somebody else to sue them and then send you your money back.

On another note... Buddhapi... that's a catchy headline!!



You can make more here:
http://www.imagechef.com/ic/make.jsp?tid=Newspaper+Headline

S.G.


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I think that ELI and the team have done a stellar job here.
The quality is first-rate, and I don't think that we'd have better results if people were actually paid to do the job.
Often, we don't get enough kudos for what we do, regardless of our career.
I once worked in a busy factory; I didn't get any feedback from the boss, so I asked if I was doing "ok".
He said, "well, I'm not having to talk to you, am I?".  So, that's how it often goes.

Matt's taken on a lot.  However, I'm of the opinion that while Matt facilitates the dissemination of information/moderates, the actual "fight" must come from the current victims of extortion letters.
The only way to make a dent in copyright trolling in the near term is for people to stop paying when they really don't have to.
That's the "fight"; stop paying, all this trolling will become unprofitable, and it'll go away.

There's something that I'd really like say... if you're not being sued, and the troll won't (or can't) prove their claim, I wouldn't pay.
Lawsuits are very rare indeed.  If you do get sued, and you cannot fight, you can make a settlement at that time.

Most of the new contributors to the forum are asking if they should write a letter and what to put in it.  I think that we've largely come to an agreement on here about writing letters and what they should say.
I feel that going over the same topic again and again is quite time consuming for the team.  We could write up some guidelines and point new contributors in that direction.
In the future, Matt's book will be the place to go for in-depth learning about the issues.
I think that the team has spelled out what needs to be done many times.
Perhaps, it's time to concentrate more on significant developments and news?

I can offer proofreading/editorial services for free.  I've worked as a tech writer/desktop publisher for several years for actual print and electronic publishing.
In addition, I have some significant talent in the graphics world, which I'd also be pleased to offer for free.
Please feel free to ask anytime, and I'd be pleased to further help with the effort!!

S.G.

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I think that a professionally-written demand letter can be very intimidating to many.
It exudes confidence in their position, as it gives the impression that they don't "need" to make over the top threats.
Additionally, to some, very threatening letters look like "scams" and certain people may be less likely to respond.

Interesting tactic.  It could simply be the "style" of this particular firm, though.

S.G.


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Yes, thanks Lucia, for shedding light on these issues.
Most have no clue of what's really happening, or how to stop these bots.

S.G.


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Thanks, Lettered.
My understanding is that lawyers cannot should not misrepresent actual matters of law in order to extort a settlement.
So, I think that one would have cause in such a case to report it to the law society.
That would be different than "our client contends that/has reason to believe that...", etc.  Which is just an opinion.

For example, a lawyer shouldn't say that something is "registered with the copyright office" if is in fact not registered.
But, they could say that their client "holds the copyright" to an image for example if the client took the photo.
That's because copyright exists at the moment of creation by the artist... but that's not really "actionable" in court.
So, it's very, very subtle, and the layman can be easily fooled.

In my case, I was sent some misleading verbiage by a lawyer.
But, his secretary signed the letter.  I don't think that the secretary is bound by the same responsibilities as an actual lawyer, though.
Pretty clever, huh?

Didn't pay.  Also clever.

S.G.

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Hawaiian Letters & Lawsuits Forum / Re: HAN/VKT question
« on: May 09, 2012, 01:19:33 PM »
Unless you're ordered by a judge to pay up, and the plaintiff is willing to go through the hoops to enforce payment, then payment is strictly VOLUNTARY.

I can only think of ONE case wherein that happened.  Masterfile went after a guy in British Columbia... he didn't show for court, and therefore lost.
In Canada, if you don't show up for court, you WILL lose.  In the 'states, judges review the facts more frequently.
Anyway, he didn't pay, so they sent a sheriff to seize his assets or something.

Masterfile has had other sizeable judgements in their favor of note in the 'states.  But, it appears that these businesses simply shut down and didn't pay a cent in most cases.

Those who pay voluntarily will find it difficult to get their money back.
There's no "law" against agreeing to a settlement and then paying that settlement.
But, yes, one can sue for anything.  But, people who pay up fast and didn't fight in the first place will never file a lawsuit later on.

S.G.

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