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Messages - Greg Troy (KeepFighting)

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: An Experiment Against Getty
« on: January 20, 2013, 10:48:46 AM »
I just filed a request with the Washington State Attorneys General Office for all complaints filed with them since Roberts request in May of last year.  When I receive these I will get Robert copies so he can add them to the ELI library.

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: New Topic: "ELI After Dark"
« on: January 19, 2013, 04:05:52 PM »
"Irony"


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I think they will see it as everyone is against them which is clearly not the case.  I believe pretty much all of the regulars have stated at one time or another that we support the IP rights of the artists and I have never seen anyone seriously make a statement to the contrary.

Maybe some of those photographers will now spit out the Getty Kool-Aid and stop satanizing ELI and its partners in the fight against copyright trolling. Maybe they'll see we're not against their rights as copyright owners but against Getty's abuses as a "middleman" in the stock photography market.

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: ELI Forum Announcement
« on: January 19, 2013, 01:56:56 PM »
You both did a fantastic job, especially for one which was not planned and no time to prepare. However, I do think I could faintly hear the swearing coming from Georgia all the way up here in Cincinnati off and on thoughout the night. :).  But seriously, an amazing job guys.

Porting everything over to a new host, redeploying it all, testing it all, and back in action within 24 hours is very admirable. Good job guys!

Thanx Jerry! Kudo's to Matthew as he did most of the heavy lifting..

Porting everything over to a new host, redeploying it all, testing it all, and back in action within 24 hours is very admirable. Good job guys!

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Very Pissed Off - Payback time
« on: January 19, 2013, 01:18:56 PM »
LOL, I talked to Matthew last night and it's not going to be pretty.  Stocked up on popcorn, I like to munch on it while watching a movie or when Matthew is on a roll.

Ok....I'm on pins and needles!

Enjoy the peace and quiet while it lasts...the shit is going to hit the fan, and it will no be distributed evenly...

and speaking of pins and needles..

http://www.celticmythmoon.com/images/Voodoo_Dolls_800W.jpg

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Very Pissed Off - Payback time
« on: January 18, 2013, 04:42:31 PM »
You know we have your back and will help in any way we can.  The ELI team is a powerful thing when we are all rallied together to research and dig online.


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Getty admits in their PDF brochure “Be Sure Of It” that they don’t know who the copyright holder is on some of their images that they liscense to you so they try to sell you an insurance policy to protect you against the images they are selling you!  What a company.  Here is the text from page 5 of Be Sure Of It.

Quote
Image GuaranteeTM
Not every image comes with a model or property release.
Sometimes, with certain non-released imagery or
footage, it’s simply not possible to find or identify a rights
holder, if one even exists. So clearance just isn’t an option.
Normally, that would leave you legally unprotected – and
put your ideal image out of reach. But it doesn’t have to
be tha tway. Based on our research,we’re often able
to give you an image guarantee. Getty Images Image
Guarantee services provides you with an extra layer of
protection by indemnifying you against any model or
property claims. For a fee based on your expected usage,
Getty Images covers you completely in the event a third party
comes forward tomake a claim.
Our Image Guarantee service not only protects you from
liability, it dramatically expands your creative palette by
broadening the range of imagery you can put to use for a
whole host of commercial and promotional campaigns.

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Agreed, but I believe his stance is the same as most Getty contributors where they think that we do not respect or believe them intellectual property rights and are just out to use images for free.

That is Interesting  but I was annoyed when I read this part of his post:

I know that there is a lot of discourse on the internet about "getty extortion letters" , whereby Getty finds someone who they have no record of having obtained a Getty image legally, stealing an image, and, for a nominal fee of $750, Getty offers to give these infringers essentially a retroactive license.
I am sure that the lawyers behind this, trolling for their own clients to object to Getty, may also be trying to create some form of class action situation down the line. However, companies should be ecstatic that they can get out from under a Federal lawsuit for copyright infringement for that small of an amount. The retainer for a copyright lawyer to defend themselves will be $5k-$10k, if not more - to start. I would find it interesting if there were contributors who took Getty to court for failing to file suit, or, by photographers who had been precluded from filing their own lawsuit by Getty's contract, due to Getty's acceptance of the $750[/size][/size] 

We are not trolling for our own clients because if we were the last thing we would do is provide so much FREE information.  I could easily build a site where I provide limited information, scare folks into thinking they are likely to be sued imminently and charge much more money for my letter defense.  He also surmises that we are trying to troll for class action lawsuits when every chance I get I have posted that I don't see a class action lawsuit in this mess. So while I am glad he linked to our site, I wish he would have been more informed before he posted his erroneous analysis of it.

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Actually I screwed up Oscar and posted the wrong link in this thread :-[. I am trying to multitask and read three good stories at once and post on them and copied the link from the wrong window. I think I'm starting to slow down as I can remember when I used to have five windows open and keep straight everything I was doing.

I was going to post this topic next and talk about it. This article is absolutely fascinating and if you follow the link contained with in it to the forum and looking at all the photographers that are dealing with Getty and I stock that are absolutely furious right now because their images are being given away it is amazing. I can see another class-action lawsuit resulting from this just like when Getty introduce their premium service and started offering their contributors photos for unlimited use for as little as two dollars.

Anyway here is the link to the interesting article that I was referring to in my first post, this is the one that Robert had found.:

http://photobusinessforum.blogspot.com/2012/03/getty-images-not-looking-for-cash-in.html

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Robert found this blog page which appears to be from a Getty contributor who is fed up with Jonathan Klein and Getty. The article as long and briefly and vaguely mentions ELI but it is a very interesting read.

http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2013/01/16/getty-hands-google-users-free-commercial-images-photographers-get-12/

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Feel free to send it to me.  [email protected]

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Thanks SG really glad you're back!

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Great finds guys,  will have to sit down and read all of these when I get home tonight.

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I like that idea SG!

Julie Stewart had a very short career in copyright trolling...

We should have a Youtube vid of "Trolls that We Said Good-Bye to this Past Year".
A video montage much like they have for actors that have passed on, as shown on the Oscars award show.
Cue the poignant music, applause and black and white photo vignettes.

Heart-warming!

S.G.

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