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Here is another public domain image, "licensed" by Getty "with restrictions on usage" and "for all commercial and promotional uses contact your local office":
http://www.gettyimages.com/license/114938474
I read here that Getty doesn't allow commercial or promotional use without a license from them. Which is wrong, because Getty doesn't have the right to restrict anyone from making commercial use of a public domain image. As Nancy mentioned too.

Here is selling this public domain image done right:
http://www.retrosnapshots.com/old-coney-island-new-york-photo-razzle-dazzle-ride.html
Without knowing the site, it looks perfectly fine to me. Notice that below the price, you choose: "Print size". You can also choose frames. You might have free shipping or pay USD 5.

Nowhere on this page is any purported "license", nor talk about "rights" and "restrictions on use". The user surely isn't lead to believe that somehow mysteriously copyright will attach to their use.

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Let me look at this differently:

Potential of misleading users
Both the image and the agreement are similar with the agreements Getty makes for "rights managed" images it has exclusive rights for. All the legalese contains a lot of restrictions and keeps talking about Getty's "rights". It is basically impossible for me to read these and conclude that maybe Getty doesn't have any rights to exclude others whatsoever, when it makes a warranty that "[Getty] has all the necessary rights", and it says plainly that it gives me only some very limited usage.

And it is of course impossible to conclude that it's perfectly fine if I have a copy of this image and make another copy of this image. On the contrary, by its words, the agreement says I'm in breach. But that's wrong, I *am* entitled to make a copy, it's a public domain image. Nancy said it too - "ANYONE can".

This example is a digital image, in the public domain. The exact image, apparently resolutions too, is available on the web for free, on the Library of Congress site as well as others. This is NOT analog material. The page with the photo doesn't say "I show you a digital file but I'm talking about a 'license' on an analog copy in my possession". If that is what it meant, then the user can't read that on the pages.

Added: Maybe it turns out to be in print when they try to shop?
Nope. I just tried to "license" the image, from UK, for use in US. I "licensed" it for web and mobile. The wizard warned me that for commercial use I need "third party permissions", and to contact my local Getty office for that "license". It gave me a price:
$49, for 3 months, digital image for web and mobile use.

Nothing in this wizard says "hey, it's a public domain image. You do NOT need our permission to use it on your website." Everything in it says, on the contrary, that I don't have permission to use it after 3 months.


That the user is lead to believe this image must be licensed to be used seems to me clear, and this is a disturbing aspect.

Are there any contractual obligations?
I'm also not convinced of Nancy's claim that the contract could be enforced for users that agreed to it. It's this part of her statement:
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archives and image libraries that have some historical out of copyright works can license those works to a user for a specific purpose because those are the contract terms a user agrees to.
I think that, in the case of digital images, the contract would be preempted. (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/301)
It says basically that when the dispute is about state laws (such as contract interpretation and stuff) applying to actions regulated by copyright, like reproducing on your website, you don't have a claim for breach of contract. Instead copyright law applies: if the image is public domain, users can reproduce it. Period. (I note that there is some mixed case law on this, though.)

If it wasn't preempted, then we'd get an interesting situation:
1) users who just ignored Getty's "rights" and downloaded the image can use it free of restrictions. (it's a public domain image!)
2) while users who believed they should do the right thing and "license" it from Getty, would - according to Nancy - be bound by their contract with Getty, to many restrictions on use, duration, sizes, etc.
Nice result.

Chasing down "infringement"
Even if all would be false, Getty still can't do copyright enforcement on the digital image. "Pay up or you're a copyright infringer" on a public domain image.

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I know this topic is old, but it seems very appropriate for the task. Also I should say I haven't tested this, I just want to point out this analysis contains details about the bot:
https://www.hackerfactor.com/blog/index.php?/archives/627-A-Victory-for-Fair-Use.html

See section Automated Filing, where the author shows logs from picscout. The referrer string can be used to serve it another page. It was (is?) a particular referrer:
http://ops.picscout.com/QcApp/Classification/Index/["case number"]

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If you're wondering whether this example of Buyenlarge is indeed in public domain, here is the same image:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Image-Amarillo_Texas_March_1943_View_2.jpg

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This work is in the public domain in the United States because it is a work prepared by an officer or employee of the United States Government as part of that person’s official duties under the terms of Title 17, Chapter 1, Section 105 of the US Code.

Edit: also, it's made accessible in digital format by the Library of Congress:
http://loc.gov/pictures/resource/fsac.1a34724/

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Getty Images Letter Forum / DMLA makes a statement on Highsmith v Getty
« on: August 07, 2016, 01:26:14 PM »
DMLA is a trade association promoting the interests of digital images corporations, including Getty and Alamy, apparently. From its About page:
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Working to insure the future of our industry
For over 60 year the Digital Media Licensing Association (DMLA), formerly known as PACA, has developed business standards, promoted ethical business practices and actively advocated copyright protection on behalf of its members. In this era of continuous change, we have remained an active community where vital information is shared and common interests are explored.

DMLA made a statement on the Highsmith v Getty/LCS/Alamy lawsuit:
http://blog.digitalmedialicensing.org/?p=3444
Their statement essentially argues that Carol Highsmith gave up copyright into the images, and thus stock image libraries are entitled to reproduce, distribute, sell them, and call that a purported "license".

I take below parts of that statement. I note first that Nancy Wolff, DMLA counsel, says Highsmith's photos are in the public domain. On the contrary, Carol in her complaint says that the photos are not in the public domain, but she retained copyright and offered the public the rights to free reproduction and display. But lets see about public domain.

CAN ANYONE USE PUBLIC DOMAIN IMAGES?
by Nancy Wolff, DMLA Counsel

Answer: YES, there are no restrictions on any use of public domain images, including making them available to users for a fee.

That's correct, for public domain images. The fee is not for a purported license, though. If there's no copyright, there are no copyright rights to license.

The purpose of limits on copyright is that the public domain benefits the public and serves the public good. Once a work is in the public domain, anyone can make a productive use of it, including commercializing the work. This applies to all works that can be under copyright, such as images, books and music. You can still buy a book of Shakespeare’s plays published by numerous publishers. Or you can go to the library and painstakingly photocopy each page.  You have a choice. The same is true with images.
This is correct, for public domain images.

Many DMLA members specialize in or include archival material in their image collections and make theses images available to publishers and other users and charge a fee. There is nothing improper or illegal about that. These archives or the collectors have made substantial investments in scanning, enhancing, keywording and making their copy of the public domain work easily searchable and usable. So a publisher can find a copy of an image from another source, but it may be low quality, it may only be in print form and it may not be easy to locate and use. With tight publishing deadlines, having a source of an image that is readily available and searchable adds value and is a benefit to users.

Except this is not the case here. As far as anyone can see, the Library of Congress appears to have made investments in digitizing images, and published them on its website. I've looked up an example from the complaint, and Getty and Alamy's copies are plain copies of the files on the Library website.

For example, this mentions that work:
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They [Carol Highsmith and C. Ford Petross from Library of Congress]immediately started working together to raise the funds that were needed to produce hard copies of Highsmith’s negatives.
I don't know what involvement in the work had Getty Images or Alamy - is this the work and investment they were doing? Moreover, first photos were on old negatives, but most photos in Highsmith collection were born digital.

Nor is it improper to call the fee charged to use a public domain image a “license” A license merely means permission to use “my copy”. You can have a license that applies to the access and use of a copy, or it can apply to any sort of IP license such as copyright, trademark or patent. But the term only refers to permission and it is not limited to an IP right.  So archives and image libraries that have some historical out of copyright works can license those works to a user for a specific purpose because those are the contract terms a user agrees to.

It *IS* improper to call it a license, because a license on Getty's website means a copyright license, and suddenly calling it the same thing surely misleads people into thinking it is necessary.
A license almost never means permission to "use my copy", as Nancy Wollf says. In fact, I don't think I've ever seen it named that, in about seven years. Even if it was, we're not talking here about a physical paper-printed photo kept under glass in a museum. We're not talking about "my copy" to which I give you access. We're talking about 18,000+ plain copies of digital files copied from files already made public by the Library website.

In fact, while Carol's photos seem to have been taken down by Getty, everyone can see right now photos which are indeed in the public domain:
http://www.gettyimages.com/event/new-images-from-contributor-buyenlarge-139643028#amarillo-texas-general-view-1943-picture-id139233453

The same "Buyenlarge" contributor whose name was plastered over some of the Carol's photos. I clicked on "License", and I got:
http://www.gettyimages.com/license/139233453
License type: Rights-Managed.
Clicked on the Info "?" sign near Rights-Managed, and it said:
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Rights-managed products are licensed with restrictions on usage, such as limitations on size, placement, duration of use and geographic distribution. You will be asked to submit information concerning your intended use of the product, which will determine the scope of usage rights granted.

What "rights" are granted, again, for a public domain digital image? I'm sure Nancy Wolff would know, since according to her, "license" is not about "IP Rights".
This whole page is just wrong. There are no restrictions on usage, if the photo is public domain, nor limitations on size, placement, duration or geographic distribution.

Click on "Rights Managed", and I get this page:
http://www.gettyimages.com/Corporate/LicenseAgreements.aspx#RM

I can't even begin to count how many things are wrong with that page, for a public domain image. I pick one: citation. The page claims that the user must cite the archive as  "[name of photographer] / [Collection Name] / Getty Images". Otherwise, he/she will be charged 100% fee in addition to other remedies Getty would allegedly have. The irony.

TL;DR: on Nancy Wolff's claim that you can call it a license, I don't believe that's okay, because it's confusing from the mere fact that we're talking big stock photo websites with a lot of copyrighted images. The user is sure to be mislead by naming it "license" on public domain works, they will understand it's copyrighted. But that's nothing compared to what really happens in this case, when Getty's website leads the user looking at the license to the pages about IP rights they do actually not have.

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She is a very generous photographer and had put her life’s work in the public domain, specifically so they could be used for no fee, by donating them to the Library of Congress while, at the same time, retaining the copyright (I didn’t know you could do that).

Sure you can. Millions of creative works, including photography, are licensed with non-exclusive licenses to the public, to reproduce, display, etc, under certain conditions set by the copyright holder, such as attribution or for non-commercial use only. If the user wants to use the work commercially, they can contact the author for a commercial license - which will likely be for payment of course.

Copyright gives authors a bundle of rights - to reproduce in copies, to distribute, to display or perform publicly - which means they're entitled to exclude everyone else from doing these things, or to authorize one or more people, or all people, to do these things, in exchange for something. It's the very basis for which you can license people to display, in exchange for money.

Creative Commons licenses are well known legal instruments designed for creative authors to share their work while retaining copyright, and requiring conditions for the uses:
https://creativecommons.org/share-your-work/

This is an example of well known photographer licensing their work with CC-by-NC:
http://www.stuckincustoms.com/2012/02/13/why-photographers-should-stop-complaining-about-copyright-and-embrace-pinterest/

Another post on his choice to not use watermarks too, and why: http://www.stuckincustoms.com/2013/06/25/why-i-dont-use-watermarks/

Another example of photographer deciding to use Creative Commons licenses:
https://medium.com/@samuelzeller/giving-my-images-for-free-8db40f96f292#.hmzg5o6eq

Unfortunately, when Carol Highsmith gave her photos to the Library of Congress, Creative Commons didn't exist yet. It exists only from 2001, and she started in the 1980s IIRC. She uses a different legal instrument:
http://digitalcommons.law.scu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2250&context=historical

It's much more confusing, as you can see for yourself. It says she granted copyrights to the Library, then that she dedicated them to the public, then she makes restrictions on the uses, with credit, and statements on when the library can reproduce. The judge will need to interpret this document. And most of current lawsuit depends on that interpretation.

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Zuma Press v. Getty
« on: August 05, 2016, 12:02:49 PM »
I'll look here at the whole complaint.
This is an action for copyright infringement under Section 501 of the Copyright Act and for the removal and/or alteration of copyright management information under Section 1202(b) of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. This action arises out of Defendant’s unauthorized reproduction, sale, and public display of approximately forty-seven thousand fortyeight (47,048) photographs known to date.

Copyright infringement and DMCA 1202 are powerful tools. If only Zuma Press qualifies, 47,000 infringements will be expensive. I am somewhat surprised, not because Getty is grabbing 47,000 photos, but because it's grabbing them from a known big agency. Individual photographers are unlikely to sue when it happens to them, not so for Zuma.

Zuma has exclusive relationships with photographers specializing in Sports Photography due to the fact that it grants press credentials and exclusive access to events. Photographers specializing in sports that work with Zuma do not, as a rule, work with any other agency, licensee, or entity. A true and correct copy of a typical exclusive agreement between a photographer and Zuma, is hereto attached as Exhibit B.

I don't have Exhibit B. They call it exclusive agreement, and "as a rule" photographers don't work with any other agency.
Note: "photographers specializing in sports who work with Zuma" sounds better than "that work with Zuma" .

though originally conceived to counterbalance the internet’s corrosive effect on the creative marketplace, Getty has quickly become the content creators’ worst detractor, recklessly aggregating content, acquiring more images than it can responsibly administer and belligerently enforcing whatever imperfect rights it might have in those images.
12. Upon information and belief, Getty has been aggressively acquiring competitors since its inception. From small family-run firms to larger competitors, Getty has been growing at a rate that makes due diligence and adequate review of acquisitions difficult and improbable.
From its inception in 1995 to 1999, Getty had acquired Tony Stone Images, Art.com, Allsport, Word View, Liaison Agency, Newsmakers, Online USA, Hulton Press Library, among others. It further acquired EyeWire and Energy Film Library. In 2000, Getty acquired Archive Photos of New York.
Upon information and belief in 2004, Getty acquired image.net. In 2006, it purchased iStockphoto. In 2007 Getty bought MediaVast – its biggest competitor and PunchStock and Pump Audio. In 2008-2009, Getty acquired Jupiterimages of JupiterMedia. In 2009 Getty bought HAAP Media. In 2011, it acquired PicScout and Photolibrary.
14. Upon information and belief, in January 2016, Getty covertly purchased Corbis’ image licensing business via Visual China Group, Getty’s exclusive distributor in China.
15. In response to the clandestine deal, Getty’s then-CEO and current Co-Founder and Chairman, Jonathan Klein tweeted “Almost 21 years but got it. Lovely to get the milk, the cream, cheese, yoghurt and the meat without buying the cow.” @JonathanDKlein, January 22, 2016 at 7:41 A.M.
16. That same day Getty stated that “VCG and Getty Images will immediately begin work to migrate Corbis content, with migration to be completed as quickly as possible” in its press release. See http://press.gettyimages.com/getty-and-corbis/.


Extremely interesting worded. It's not clear to me why the latter was a "clandestine" deal, though. (anyone knows what that means?)
Otherwise, the facts make sense, and the story is interesting, but it doesn't really matter for copyright infringement/DMCA, unless Zuma attempts here to paint a picture as to Getty's usual behaviors and motivations. I'm not sure however that they manage to tie that picture to copyright infringements. Yet...

17. Upon information and belief, Getty has been carelessly and recklessly acquiring content, not doing due diligence and not taking adequate measures to prevent infringement as well as falsifying/removing proper copyright management information. In fact, its aggressive acquisition schedule is possible only at the expense of others’ rights. Undeterred by almost two hundred complaints filed with Washington State Attorney General’s Office[1], despite several lawsuits[2], and the growing consensus in the industry that its abusive, unethical, and reckless business practices must be addressed, Getty has shown that it cannot and will not reform on its own accord.
                                                       
[1] See https://www.scribd.com/doc/222235974/1-2-Index-of-Compaints 
[2] See Agence France Presse  et. al  v. Morel, Shepard et. al v. Getty Images (US) Inc. et. al, Highsmith v. Getty (US) Images, Inc. et. al, as well as several other pertinent cases.


Wow. A packed paragraph, amazing in its own right. Now we're getting somewhere.

On a side note, Greg, I'm afraid your index of complaints contains a typo, and it's in a court document now. (compaints->complaints) I think the URL will be needed as it is today. If you'll want to fix it, this URL won't work. Or you could duplicate it. Your choice. :D

People have complained for years that Getty doesn't want to prove its ownership of copyright, when asked. That isn't mentioned here, but it would be relevant. Maybe Getty didn't want to prove because it didn't have those rights and it knew; I hope an amended complaint will add that. It's true at least in Carol Highsmith's case because she told them on the phone that she owned the rights and not Getty/LCS/Alamy.

Morel and Highsmith cases are mentioned, but I'm surprised there's no cite. In Morel's case, just a quick legal research on public documents will show the court decision. (that's part of why my guess is that the complaint was rushed)

Falsifying/removing copyright management information seems an action that is intended. How do you that without intention? At most, you might believe proofs that copyright belongs to someone else, and fix the pics, but nothing less. That should be a darned good proof, when you're removing someone's info.

18. Upon information and belief, in April 2016, Defendant copied approximately forty-seven thousand forty-eight (47,048) Photographs and placed it on their Website to license and sell to the public ranging in prices. True and correct copies of the Photographs on the Website are attached hereto as Exhibits A1-A41.
19. Defendant did not license the Photographs from Plaintiff to license or sell, nor did Defendant have Plaintiff’s permission or consent to publish the Photographs on its Website.
20. Upon information and belief, Defendant altered/removed Zuma’s credit and replaced it with its own credit.


I don't know how to check if Getty removed them. Some internet outlets say it did, after the lawsuit was filed.

This paragraph brings home the accusations of copyright infringement and DMCA 1202, and apparently it adds exhibits to show it. 47,000 photos grabbed, miscredited, distributed and allegedly "owned by" Getty is a BFD. Zuma doesn't need any of the rest, as long as it can prove this, with at least some of 47,000. Some nice thousand would do.

Getty might want to say, on the second, that it didn't strike down copyright notices itself, but maybe it was mislead by someone else. Well, as Getty points out often, it doesn't matter for copyright infringement.

24. Upon information and belief, the foregoing acts of infringement by Defendant have been willful, intentional, and purposeful, in disregard of and indifference to Plaintiff’s exclusive rights.

As I noted, I'm not sure willfulness is alleged properly. Some of the previous phrases, like talking about how Getty grew too much and it didn't manage to perform due diligence, sound like allegations of the opposite of willfulness. On the other hand, personally I doubt anyone can infringe 47,000 photos unintently. They're darn tens of thousands.
In any case, it will be interesting to see what comes out of it.

What is even more amazing to me, is that Getty could even think to claim lack of knowledge or intent, when their Picscout's job is exactly to find photos on the web. I mean, Getty owns the software which is touted to find with precision copies of photos, or even parts of, on the internet. Why didn't it set Picscout on finding these photos before publishing them? Same for Highsmith's photos. Or did it set Picscout in action, saw and ignored Zuma (and Highsmith/LoC!), and claimed copyright over the photos regardless? None sounds good for Getty.

25. As a direct and proximate cause of the infringement by the Defendant of Plaintiff’s exclusive rights under copyright, Plaintiff is entitled to damages and Defendant’s profits pursuant to 17 U.S.C. § 504(b) for the infringement.

"Direct and proximate cause"? This doesn't sound right to me. Bring out those legal clerks to review this, Zuma. :D

When the Photographs were published on www.ZumaPress.com, the Photographs contained copyright management information protected under 17 U.S.C. § 1202(b).
29. Upon information and belief, on its Website, Defendant intentionally and knowingly altered/removed Zuma’s copyright management information.
30. Upon information and belief, on the Website, the Defendant replaced the existing gutter credit with its own gutter credit, altering and falsifying copyright management information.
31. The conduct of Defendant violates 17 U.S.C. § 1202(b).


By the sound of it all, Zuma doesn't seem to have had contact with Getty prior to filing this lawsuit. It's also so soon. I think the likely explanation of this filing resides in Highsmith's filing making headlines. I'm not sure what to make of that, maybe it's because Zuma isn't really looking to sue Getty... but to get a better deal out of Getty's infringement than it would otherwise. I don't know.

Or maybe these lawsuits will lead to discovery, and attract attention from other parties. In the measure there's reasonable suspicion of fraud shown by Carol Highsmith's case, and the public AG complaints show patterns worth investigating, maybe Getty will be investigated eventually.

One more bit: in the prayer for relief, Zuma says:
1. That Defendant be adjudged to have infringed upon Plaintiff’s copyrights in the Photographs in violation of 17 U.S.C §§ 106 and 501;
[..]3. Plaintiff be awarded Plaintiff’s actual damages and Defendant’s profits, gains or
advantages of any kind attributable to Defendant’s infringement of Plaintiff’s
Photographs.

It doesn't ask for statutory damages for copyright infringement. That might mean Zuma doesn't have the photos registered prior to April 2016. It should have them now, but then I'm not sure it can ask for defendant's profits either.

2. The Defendant be adjudged to have falsified, removed and/or altered copyright
management information in violation of 17 U.S.C. § 1202. [...]
4. That, with regard to the Second Claim for Relief, Plaintiff be awarded either:
a) Plaintiff’s actual damages and Defendant’s profits, gains or advantages of any
kind attributable to Defendant’s falsification, removal and/or alteration of
copyright management information; or b) alternatively, statutory damages of at
least $2,500 and up to $ 25,000 for each instance of false copyright management
information and/or removal or alteration of copyright management information
committed by Defendant pursuant to 17 U.S.C. § 1203(c);
5. Pursuant to 17 U.S.C. § 1203(c)(4), the Court may award up to triple the damages if the Defendant had a judgement entered against it for violating 17 U.S.C. § 1202 within the last three years.
6. That Defendant be required to account for all profits, income, receipts, or other benefits derived by Defendant as a result of its unlawful conduct;


Indeed, triple damages for DMCA 1202 can be very powerful. Still, it's less than normal statutory damages for copyright infringement, provided that works were registered, that infringement was willful, and that Zuma can convince a jury or judge to award maximum or close.

Zuma sounds like having the financial power to bring this lawsuit to completion. I hope we'll see more of this, including a nice amended complaint. Unless Zuma actually wants a settlement, and no one will know anything. Including photographers in question, I'd guess.

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Zuma Press v. Getty
« on: August 05, 2016, 09:27:08 AM »
Other coverage:
http://pdnpulse.pdnonline.com/2016/08/getty-images-sued-yet-copyright-violations.html

From it:
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Getty declined to comment on the specifics of Zuma’s claim, but said in a prepared statement that it “has robust processes in place to ensure that content on our site has the necessary permissions and licenses.”

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Zuma Press v. Getty
« on: August 05, 2016, 09:04:19 AM »
The text of the complaint is here:
http://www.schwimmerlegal.com/2016/08/text-of-zuma-press-v-getty-images-complaint-sdny.html

Online coverage:
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/08/getty-images-sued-again-over-alleged-misuse-of-over-47000-photos/
https://www.dpreview.com/news/3273514842/getty-images-sued-again-this-time-by-zuma-press
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20160804/11403535157/getty-sued-again-over-abusing-copyright-law-licensing-images-it-has-no-rights-to.shtml

Special mention on TechDirt's position: they have doubts of some allegations. But it seems to me important to note that there's no problem at this stage with allegations of copyright infringement and/or DMCA 1202. Those are pretty simple, as Getty usually says: you either did strike copyright notices or you didn't, and you either copied, displayed, distributed the 47,000 photos, or you didn't. If you did, you'd better have a license - and Getty didn't. The likelihood other copyright limitations would apply, like fair use, is frankly null.

That's why I think the case looks strong, for the causes of action it lists. Sure, copyright ownership or exclusive licenses will be a factor but at this point I don't know (and I don't see) why to doubt that. Looking forward to the next steps.

I also don't have the exhibits yet. One of them is the exclusive license Zuma Press says its photographers usually sign. It will be relevant.

My impressions from the complaint is that it was rushed. It's like they were working on it, when they saw headlines with Carol Highsmith's lawsuit, and they wrote up quickly their beefs with Getty, and filed it. It will be amended at a later date, unless they're actually looking for a quick settlement.

What I note, is that the complaint is a bit weird in that it says Getty might not prove due diligence given that it became so big so fast, but in the same time it says it's willful infringement. Actually, the first part just gave Getty some ammo to say it wasn't willful, just careless. A carefully written complaint wouldn't have done that, I'd think.

The funniest part of this is that, amazingly, Getty made a public statement in which it responds, claiming that... Getty has in place good processes to verify correct licensing... :D

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Another great gift, and I must say it's freshening t see some new blood jumping into the fray...Engel Nyst.

Were you a Getty or other troll victim??? I remember many years ago being filled an enormous amount of energy to aim towards Getty and others, seems it has waned over the years, but I still hate those douchebags.. I'm betting that, those fucktards Jonathn Klien and pot growing Timothy McCormack are glad they got out of this..

Thanks for the welcome :D. And don't worry, I'm confident that sooner or later a lot of the patterns of behavior uncovered by these forums will have consequences, as they should. In fact, you know they already had some real consequences in changing some of Getty's behavior, in raising awareness in online press, and in helping people affected.

I have not received a letter. I'm a software developer and a copyright nerd. I've given a couple of years of my life to learn the law, the jurisprudence, and the understandings in different communities on the internet.

I know this site for a long while, I'm sure. But I registered only recently, because I wanted to answer a photographer in another topic. Funnily enough, the time for approval and other stuff derailed me, and I haven't yet posted my intended answer. I will soon.

What happened recently was that I was in touch with some photographers (not on this forum), and from discussions it became again clear to me that they get the wrong impressions from the rhetoric of copyright enforcement agents. It's an easy recipe for copyright enforcers: just claim whatever is not blatantly false, but not complete story either, and convince them to give you some rights to enforce; you will have the backing of authors for your covert actions, even though you will hide the actual text of your enforcement letters, phone and stuff, and you will actually make more money than by legitimate licensing or decent enforcement - probably more than they even know. It's a sad state of affairs, and copyright law is just too powerful on the enforcement/remedies side, such that bullying is possible. There's almost no disincentive, almost no consequence (legal) to bullying. So it's not surprising that it finds a rich terrain.

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Looks like Zuma has a strong case.

If they hold indeed exclusive rights, and published the photos with copyright notice, they're right on the money. Really makes me wonder what the hell does Getty think they're doing.

I find surprising that their complaint is not very aggressive, as many copyright complaints I've seen. They almost sound like making an excuse of sorts for Getty, when they talk about how it's getting too big to be able to manage all imagery. Is it just me who feels it's worded too mild? Also, I can't help but notice how Zuma mentions the "corrosive" effect of the internet on stock photo business. Better get used to it and adapt or die, Zuma/Getty/whoever.

On the other hand, the filing contains references to the hundreds of complaints about Getty to the AG!

I wonder what effect can that have. If this case continues, maybe we'll see Greg's and others' complaints brought in front of a judge.

Edited to add: the complaint contains Greg's CABA Law link to:
https://www.scribd.com/doc/222235974/1-2-Index-of-Compaints

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This is another entity well aware that LCS is Getty: the BBB.

On its Getty page, it says:
Quote
Alternate Business Names
License Compliance Services
PicScout Inc

http://www.bbb.org/northwest/business-reviews/photographs-stock/getty-images-inc-in-seattle-wa-37000916/

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When I said above that the decision is somewhat surprising for older assumptions, I was referring to the following assumption: that a DMCA registered agent is necessary for a website owner to not be held liable for infringement made on their website by a user.
Notice how the court discussed that in detail, and held that a DMCA process can shield a site owner in circumstances where they would be found liable. But if they're not liable in the first place, because of lack of volitional conduct, then DMCA process is irrelevant.

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A recent decision that may be surprising for older assumptions: the website being sued allows user uploads, doesn't need a DMCA agent, and yet wins on all direct infringement, contributory infringement, vicarious infringement:

http://business.cch.com/ipld/BWPMediaUSAPolyvore20160715.pdf

An excellent analysis is here:
http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2016/07/sideloading-service-defeats-copyright-infringement-claims-bwp-v-polyvore.htm

I note BWP's behavior: uninterested much in doing the necessary during the case. (I don't know how to understand that)

The most important point, it seems to me, is that given the evidence in the case, Polyvore didn't need DMCA safe harbor to be shielded from copyright claims, even though the images (79) were displayed on its site. Users uploaded them, using features of the site, without any "volitional conduct" from Polyvore. That was sufficient in the end for a finding of no direct infringement as a matter of law, under Cablevision.

In addition, the tool was capable of "clipping" copyrighted and infringing images just as well as non-infringing images, and Sony-Betamax applied to shield it from contributory liability.

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