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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Another Newby Masterfile
« on: December 12, 2012, 08:51:55 PM »
I will look into this and find out what I can as I was not aware of this and I like what Avepoint did.  I like it a lot, give me ideas (insert evil grin emoticon here)

For what it's worth, from the get-go in response to my first letter from Getty, I requested html verification.

The same request went to copyright troll and collection agent Timothy B. McCormack and his paralegal Ashanti A. Taylor when they tripled Getty's original "settlement demand."

Both Getty and McCormack refused to address html verification, which is just one of the many points I will make in a declaratory judgment should one of these copyright trolling goons ever contact me again.

Here ya go Mulligan
http://www.scribd.com/doc/104557879/Getty-Images-Attorney-General-Complaint-13

I don't know the outcome of this, bu t we can probaly find out without to much effort...

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You are very welcome. please keep us posted. :)

Greg this is a wonderful blueprint for fighting back and I will certainly utilize many of the tactics depending on what happens next...thanks for the share!!

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: An Experiment Against Getty
« on: December 11, 2012, 07:57:30 PM »
Thanks Oscar!  I hope I get the information by Christmas :)

Great work Greg!

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Another Newby Masterfile
« on: December 11, 2012, 04:47:44 PM »
Agreed Jerry, this also should show that these trolls know that these images are not worth anything close to what they are asking for.  Imaging how long a store would stay in business if you were told that widget A is $2500 and you complain that you didn’t think it was worth that and to prove to me it's worth it and the salesman turns around and says “Okay, how about $500.

If you would be willing to share these letters I would like to add them to my packet of information I have on the trolls making my case they are practicing “Legalized Extortion” or if not here on the forums could you e-mail them to me and I will redact all of your personal information

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I can tell you that becoming a MAJOR thorn in their side does work.  If you want to see what I did including letters between Getty and myself as well as my complaint letters, Getty’s replies and my responses to their replies you can find it here:

http://www.extortionletterinfo.com/forum/getty-images-letter-forum/an-experiment-against-getty/

They are not likely to "be quiet".  They don't just go away.

You need to give them a reason to go away.  Sometimes the threat of being willing to dig in your heels and fight is enough of a reason.  Sometimes the thought that they may have more to lose than they have to gain is enough of a reason.  But without a reason, they do not go away.  They practice the Chinese water torture method of trolling. (No offense intended to the Chinese)

I fully agree..therefore GIVE THEM A REASON TO GO AWAY, demonstrate to them you will not roll over, and that if they continue, you will become a large thorn in their side...check out what Greg Troy did...I think he made them go away!

I think you are right Jerry, it will be eight months in January since I got the “Last chance before we escalate” letter which prompted my attack.  They know I mean what I say and that I am prepared now to do far worse should I hear a peep out of them, NCS or Mr. McCormack.

I would be VERY surprised if anyone from the trolling industry has contacted Greg at all over the last few months. No one's going to poke that hornets nest.

:)

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Stinger, you will see Getty through this out from time to time as it is one of their stock answers and runaround is that they give you. I first remember seeing it back in June as Robert posted a letter forwarded to him from Copyright Compliance Specialist Nancy Monson.

http://www.extortionletterinfo.com/forum/getty-images-letter-forum/an-interesting-message-from-a-getty-'copyright-compliance-specialist-'/

I also use this quotation as an argument in my defense in my complaint letters filed against Getty with various authorities. I attacked it from a two-pronged approach showing with this statement that Getty does not even know if the artist have bothered to register the images and through in the Advernet case where was determined Getty had no right to collect any monies as there was issues with the registration on all of the images.

It all comes down to just the scare tactics Getty uses to try to frighten people into paying. Unfortunately it works as Getty has adopted this is their business model.

I agree that you should follow Greg and Robert's advice.  This letter's tactics are pretty interesting.

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"Copyright exists the moment a photograph is created and copyright registration is not a requirement of copyright ownership.This is a true statement.

Getty has contracts with contributing photographers who are the copyright holders. This might be true.  It seems like it should be true in general.  Is it true about the images they allege you mis-appropriated?  Hard to say without proof.  If they want payment, they should be willing to document why.

The contributor agreement contains representations and warranties that the contributor is the sole copyright owner. Representations and warranties in an agreement between a photographer and Getty should mean nothing to you.  They should have to prove this to you.

Consequently Getty does not require contributors to provide Getty with certificates of registration and leaves the option of copyright registration to the individual photographer. It's great that Getty is so lazy as to not require proof.  Since it is you they are asking for money, your policy should be a bit stricter that this.  PROVE IT!

Due to confidentiality concerns, Getty would not provide copies of our contributor contracts at this stage of claim. Due to financial concerns, you should not provide them any money at this stage of the claim.  That is all it is a claim.  And they need to substantiate it to you.  If not, they will eventually need to substantiate it to a judge.

Under the USCA, actual damages are recoverable regardless of registration. Another true statement

Getty is currently only requesting actual damages in settlement of this matter. Very misleading this.  They have done nothing to substantiate their actual damages.  In fact, they may have refused to.

Therefore, copyright registrations are irrelevant at this stage".Perhaps they are irrelevant to them, not you.

There are two completely true statements in there surrounded by a bunch of stuff that they make sound a lot truer than it might be, in your eyes.

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Robert is right, anything you ask of them is relevant as they are presenting you with an invoice yet refusing to show where and how they are arriving at the sum or even if legally they are able to ask for these damages. I would be asking for the following things:

1) I need to see verification that the image was filed with the U.S. Copyright Office

2) Verification that the copyright is either for the individual image or a group of images.

3) I need a copy of the signed contract, assignment or other documentation between Getty Images and the artist transferring copyright and giving you exclusive rights to the image as you havestated in your letter.

4) Sales history and records of this image and prices received for the image.

I would tell them that if they do not provide you with this proof then you consider what they are doing as legalized extortion and you will file complaints with the Washington state Attorney General's office, the Better Business Bureau and other agencies. Do not make this threat though in less you are actually willing to carry it out.

Good luck and please let us know what you decide to do and keep us posted as to your progress.

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: new copyright thug to add to the list?
« on: December 10, 2012, 01:13:48 PM »
Yes mdc2727, welcome to the forums and Robert is spot on and what he told you. Looking forward to reading your letters and please do keep us posted as to your progress.

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Legal Controversies Forum / Re: tattoos and copyright
« on: December 09, 2012, 09:49:11 PM »
I was not able to find what I was looking for, the only thing I found was a reference to Warner Bros. going after tattoo artist who inked their Looney Tunes but it says they lost and I could not find these cases either.

I seem to remember a while back Disney suing over tattoos of their characters on people, when I get home tonight I will see if I can look it up. Might not have been Disney but it was over animated characters.

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: new copyright thug to add to the list?
« on: December 09, 2012, 10:23:17 AM »
That was an interesting read and it does seem Carolyn E. Wright is willing to play both sides as long as it pays. As for the second post, that is too funny and someone certainly does not like Joseph Tomelleri.

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: An Experiment Against Getty
« on: December 07, 2012, 07:09:17 PM »
Thanks guys, looking forward to getting the report and seeing what's in it.

I am still trying to get my hands on one of their contributor agreements that they are willing fight court orders to produce and pay big bucks to settle class action lawsuits with contributors rather than let anyone see it.  I suspect that if it was released people would find what a raw deal it is for the contributors.

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Wow, that brings back a lot of memories! I was the SysOp of a two node BBS called The Wonder Board BBS as I was a tile setter at the time and wonder board is a cement board put down that tile is installed on.

Just curious what BBS software you ran? Was it PCBoard?  I ran GTBBS software on a single computer running DesqView (multitasking software). Next time we talk on the phone will have to talk about our SysOp days

Don't know if i'm an oldie but I was a sysop for a 6 node BBS back in the day...I can hear those old 14.4 modems screeching right now!!..I still see references of it online now and then via fidonet..."The Dirty Diaper BBS"..thanx for the flashback!

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Legal Controversies Forum / Re: tattoos and copyright
« on: December 07, 2012, 01:07:39 PM »
I seem to remember a while back Disney suing over tattoos of their characters on people, when I get home tonight I will see if I can look it up. Might not have been Disney but it was over animated characters.

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: "Personalised" response from Doug Bieker
« on: December 06, 2012, 09:40:14 PM »
Not sure on the statute of limitations part, but you can still file complaints with the Washington AG’s office, the BBB and the FTC and name Douglas Bieker and Getty for “Legalized Extortion” 

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: An Experiment Against Getty
« on: December 06, 2012, 07:45:01 PM »
Tonight I received a reply from the Securities and Exchange Commission to my request under the freedom of information act that all documents concerning the investigation of the backdating of stock options by Jonathan Klein and other top officers of Getty Images be released to me.

The SEC has accepted my request assigned me a case number and has started working on getting the documents. I will keep everyone posted as soon as I find out anything more. Here's a link to the letter I received if anyone is interested:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/115836326/SEC-FOIA-Reply-Redacted

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