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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Brandon Sand Settlement Demand Letter
« on: October 27, 2011, 02:37:43 PM »
Loopster,

I did some checking at the Canadian Intellectual Property Office (CIPO).
http://www.ic.gc.ca/app/opic-cipo/cpyrghts/dsplySrch.do?lang=eng

I found no works registered by "Tylor" or "Hawaii Art Network"

This means that they could only legally collect actual damages (the actual retail price) of the images in court.
They couldn't collect "statutory damages" (legal fees, other damages & losses).
So, the prospect of a court case is unlikely; they'd have to spend thousands just to get an award of what would likely amount to a few hundred dollars.

Some companies make a big deal of having an 'exclusive' contract with the photographer.
But, that still doesn't allow the photographer to transfer rights that he/she doesn't have due to non-registration.

They mentioned the Berne Convention, but that's not really an issue here.

What you can do is offer a smaller settlement that reflects that purchase price of the images.
If you can put up with some harassment, you might choose to do nothing as a court battle is highly unlikely.

Good luck.

S.G.


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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Brandon Sand Settlement Demand Letter
« on: October 27, 2011, 01:26:47 AM »
Hey Loopster,

Brandon Sand was/is based in the US and he sent a letter to a Canadian resident.
Is the lawyer that sent you the letter also a US attorney?

They're using PicScout to troll the web for infringements.
http://www.picscout.com/images/stories/pdfs/HawaiianArtNetwork.pdf

I also notice that they've used "photoattorney" in the past...

S.G.


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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: I got hit by GI. $9860!
« on: October 24, 2011, 12:15:30 AM »

Given the experience of the original poster, I wonder how many potential customers will be scared away from doing business with Getty Images by their new invoicing practices?

Recently, people have been accused of infringing by Getty, even though some of those people have legitimately bought the content from Getty years ago.
If you've lost your receipt, they'll just say that you're guilty, and won't send you any documentation to back up their claims of copyright ownership.

Now, if you have an existing account (or are unfortunate enough to create one), Getty will just invoice you for it.
If you don't pay, they'll send it to collections and thrash your credit rating.

Something to think about when sourcing images...

S.G.



980

Video: Check out this interview with Steve Gibson of Righthaven

http://www.lasvegassun.com/videos/2011/jun/22/5268/

See the face and attitude of Righthaven.
It's a great interview.

S.G.


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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Got hit by the letter as well!
« on: October 22, 2011, 12:54:28 PM »
This is correct, Canada Bob.

Rights-managed means that the price of the image depends upon the terms of the license required, such as where it will be used, how long it will be used, the size and resolution needed, and the type of "exclusivity" desired.

Non rights-managed has a standard license that applies to most types of use, and usually a cheaper flat-rate fee.

Normally, demand letters are sent regarding the rights-managed type images, as the fees are much greater.

S.G.




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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: I got hit by GI. $9860!
« on: October 19, 2011, 06:23:03 PM »
Just a couple of quick thoughts here.

In most regions, there's a statute of limitations that lasts only three years.
So, they could only legally attempt to collect three years of fees.

I'm not sure why Getty wanted you to "sign up" so that they could "bill you".
But, folks should avoid doing this, as this could be an attempt by Getty to "invoice" people, and then send it to a collections agency.
If you're "invoiced", some might consider it a legitimate debt.

I'm interested in hearing other people's thoughts, too.

S.G.



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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Image Hosting Question
« on: October 18, 2011, 11:23:20 PM »
Getty's lying to you.  If the images were not hosted on your server, then no infringement was made by you.

Here's quite an interesting tidbit from US law (as explained on Wikipedia):

Definition of "copy"
 
Several important rights exist under the United States copyright law only for “copies” of works — material objects in which the work is embodied.[13] Section 106(1) prohibits the reproduction only of copies of works, and section 106(3) prohibits the distribution only of copies of works.[14] Thus, as the Ninth Circuit held in Perfect 10, Inc. v. Amazon.com, Inc., a link (even a deep link or inline link) to an image does not involve reproduction of a copy of the image by the person on whose web page the link appears.[15] An instruction to a browser to jump to an URL is not a reproduction or distribution of a copy of what is at the referenced URL.[16]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_law_of_the_United_States

This means that actual copying and distribution of content are infringements.  But, content that is only linked to on the Web is not considered an actual copy, nor is it a form of distribution.

Tell Getty to piss off.

S.G.

984
Getty has certainly removed the images.
The other day, I was searching for news articles about the issue, and I accidentally came upon a Getty image of a car deodorizer in the shape of a hula dancer.
Even that's been removed now...

Yes, of course, by Getty's yardstick and methodology, one could 'claim' all manner of damages, without having to submit any proof.
Maybe next time?  Lol.

S.G.


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Getty Images Letter Forum / ASMP to Getty Photographers: Time to Bail
« on: October 16, 2011, 12:25:30 PM »
ASMP to Getty Photographers: Time to Bail

This is from May of 2011, but still quite relevant, I think:

The American Society of Media Photographers (ASMP) has released a memo that all but advises Getty contributors to quit the agency and find other ways to distribute their stock photographs if they can.

American Photographic Artists (APA), meanwhile, has issued a veiled threat of legal action against the stock photo agency.
 
The uproar is over Getty's new contract terms for its contributors, which enable the agency to move rights-managed images that haven't been licensed for three years or longer to its royalty-free collections, and make royalty-free images available in its subscription products.


More of the article can be found:

http://www.pdnonline.com/pdn/news/ASMP-to-Getty-Photog-2608.shtml

S.G.


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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Getty sends out the lawyers?
« on: October 16, 2011, 12:49:23 AM »
Great to see Oscar taking a stand here.

S.G.


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Righthaven Lawsuits Forum / Re: Righthaven facing new lawsuit fee demand
« on: October 15, 2011, 02:45:08 PM »
A timely post as usual!

If Righthaven has no funds to pay the legal fees of winning defendants, how can they afford to keep pursuing these lawsuits?

S.G.


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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: My Getty "experience" is over
« on: October 14, 2011, 08:30:10 PM »
Yes!!  A good story indeed.

The photographer in question was "double dipping"; getting paid for the photo shoot, and the licensing them through Getty.  It's greed, plain and simple.

This also illustrates why people shouldn't believe the "Getty has only exclusive contracts" and "Getty owns copyright" statements with without verifying the facts.

S.G.


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Good blog post by Oscar.

I really get the irony of Getty getting into hot water over this.
But, in the greater scheme of things, imagine how vulnerable everyone is over any photo that we take, or anything that we say or write.
In today's terrible economic conditions, there's an attitude that everything must be "monetized".
However, the laws don't clearly define where infringement begins and ends in terms of modern communications.
Therefore, practically anything is up for argument, which means "court".  Court is expensive, and that's used to force settlements.

It's like putting a photo of me driving my car onto my website that sells oil changes.
Then, having to pay Ford a license fee, or go to court.  You know, "you're driving our car brand", and "your site makes money".
Or, having to pay thousands to the likes of Getty even if the site makes no money, as in a family website.

A statement in Oscar's article jumped out at me:

"The judge went on to state that Getty could also be responsible for allowing others to infringe on the plaintiff’s trademark by licensing the image for others to use commercially. The case will now proceed onto discovery, where Getty will likely have to show how many times and for how much money it sold or licensed images with those little trees in it."

Is Getty going to go after the end users that they licensed the images to if they haven't paid more for "legal protection" in their contract?
Refer to the link that Buddhapi posted recently:

http://www.fastmediamagazine.com/blog/2010/05/17/getty-images-lauches-stockphotorights-com/

A quote from the article:

"Almost half of the respondents (48%) said they did not fully understand legal protection or indemnification, (the form of warranty where the image supplier agrees to bear liability and assume certain legal costs if a claim around the image arises). Almost 45% of respondents were unaware that you can still face a legal claim relating to an image you used, even if you license it. A mere 18% reported paying for legal protection when licensing an image. Even among respondents who understood that certain image licenses include legal protection, 26% said they have considered themselves at risk by sourcing an image which doesn’t include it."

So, end users should get ready for the possibility of many threatening letters from Getty/Deodorizer manufacturer if they don't have legal protection in their contract.
Or, heaven forbid, lost their receipt from Getty.

S.G.


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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Requesting registration proof in advance
« on: October 12, 2011, 01:30:47 AM »
Getty always withholds "proof" of their claims so that nobody ever really knows whether or not they have anything to back up their claims.
It's just part of their intimidation tactics.

If your attorney friend contacted Getty on behalf of your client, then Getty should have contacted said attorney this time around and not your client.
This is a legal blunder on Getty's part.

I'm not aware of any lawsuits initiated by Getty over a single image.

S.G.


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