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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: I found this rather amusing
« on: October 11, 2011, 12:27:11 AM »
Thanks to Buddhapi for posting the info and link.

I see that site as "marketing" for Getty.
They're going through the motions of blogging about why people should buy from Getty versus others.

The biggest load of crap is the "legal protection" that Getty claims that it offers.
It's like they're justifying their high prices by "including" "value added" features such as "legal protection".
Customers shouldn't have to pay extra to be assured that a stock image house has procured its images legally.

If TemplateMonster has taught anyone anything, it's that companies will be held responsible if they offer infringing images for sale.

S.G.


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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: My "Extortion" Letter Experience (Part 2)
« on: October 10, 2011, 04:21:54 PM »
If you are engaged in "settlement discussions."  US Federal Rule of Evidence 403 and most states' laws protect settlement discussions and hold that what is said during settlement talks is not admissible in court.

S.G.


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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Just recieved a Getty Letter today
« on: October 03, 2011, 11:30:10 PM »
ok... here's the info and link as I posted previously:

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Here's quite an interesting tidbit from US law (as explained on Wikipedia):

Definition of "copy"
 
Several important rights exist under the United States copyright law only for “copies” of works — material objects in which the work is embodied.[13] Section 106(1) prohibits the reproduction only of copies of works, and section 106(3) prohibits the distribution only of copies of works.[14] Thus, as the Ninth Circuit held in Perfect 10, Inc. v. Amazon.com, Inc., a link (even a deep link or inline link) to an image does not involve reproduction of a copy of the image by the person on whose web page the link appears.[15] An instruction to a browser to jump to an URL is not a reproduction or distribution of a copy of what is at the referenced URL.[16]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_law_of_the_United_States

I think that this means that actual copying and distribution of content are infringements.  But, content that is only linked to on the Web is not considered an actual copy, nor is it a form of distribution.

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This sounds like good news for you!

S.G.

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Just recieved a Getty Letter today
« on: October 03, 2011, 11:20:11 PM »
Readers here may recall that I posted a link to info regarding images that are linked to on a site, but actually reside elsewhere (on a different server/site).
In the 'states, this isn't considered a copyright infringement.

Does this sound like your situation?

S.G.



995
Just a quick inquiry for Buddhapi and Matt.

Would it be possible to add a few more "categories" to the forum?
Such as "Collections, ex. NCS", "General Discussions re: Photography / Stock Art".

This isn't a complaint about how things are now, however I notice that folks ask about similar things fairly often.
It might save some time if future posts could be even more categorized.

S.G.


996

"a warning to others that federal copyright lawsuits are not the legal equivalent to ATM machines"

"I think the fact that Judge Kane ordered Righthaven to pay Mr. Wolf's legal fees, which will be substantial, should be a warning to others that federal copyright lawsuits are not the legal equivalent to ATM machines," he continues.
"Lawsuits have consequences, and should be approached thoughtfully and as a last resort."

David Kerr, Attorney for Brian Hill
Hill vs Righthaven

http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/2011/09/righthaven_ruling_denver_copyright_troll.php

S.G.


997

The Bill C-11 is not law as yet.  This will be the third try to pass the bill into law.

The $5000 cap would be good news; could we see caps on other infringements?
One could also argue that in the US, the Righthaven fiasco shows that a cap on statutory damages may be needed to discourage abuse of the legal system.

The bill would also include a "notify-notify" clause much like the DMCA in the US.
Also, Canadians may also enjoy being able to record tv shows and make personal copies of music legally.

The bill makes a huge deal of making the cracking of "digital locks" illegal.
I'm not sure what the big deal is; it can be shown that somebody downloaded/shared something, but I can't see how the law could show who "cracked" a protection scheme.

S.G.


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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: I-Stock Photo
« on: September 29, 2011, 08:33:54 PM »
Strange about the I-Stock credits policy.
I'm quite surprised.

From the stories that I've read on the forum, it appears that it's "Getty" that goes after the infringements even if the photo appears on I-Stock also.
I surmise that this must be because "Getty" is the "premium brand" and commands higher prices.

I guess that Getty's also the "headquarters" for their infringement chasing.

S.G.





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Righthaven Lawsuits Forum / Re: Righthaven catches a break in court
« on: September 29, 2011, 08:27:53 PM »
Interesting development.

Some have suggested that Righthaven was "designed" to go bankrupt in the event that the business didn't go as planned.
I've heard that this is illegal (for one company to create another to commit certain acts, then "disappear"), but I'm not sure of the actual statute.

One commenter said, "Bankruptcy might not discharge what appear to be intentional, willful, and malicious acts 11 U.S.C. 523(a)(6). This is where the Righthaven "business plan" and the pontifications by principals in Righthaven can come back to bite hard."

as posted here:

http://www.vegasinc.com/news/2011/sep/27/judge-righthaven-lacked-standing-abused-copyright-/allcomments/

S.G.


1000
There's a notorious case in Germany wherein Getty actually sued somebody.
It appears that the alleged infringer arranged some sort of retroactive deal with the artist, and Getty lost in court.

"In Germany, Getty images lost a court case to an individual after the person has proved that he gotten exclusive rights from the photographer."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_images

But, at first I heard that the alleged infringer already had a license, later I heard that he got a license retroactively.
So, it's a bit unclear what the story is.

A few people on this forum have contacted the photographer/artist in their cases.
One didn't respond, however, a couple replied with details about their copyright status in regards to the images.
I don't think that any retroactive deals were made.

Does anyone else have further info, or experience?

S.G.

1001
The same logic could apply to most anyone if the conditions were the same, now that there is a court precedent.
This court precedent would be greatly strengthened if Righthaven appeals the decision, and loses once again.
Then, it becomes quite iron-clad, indeed.

The lesson that the Righthaven cases have illustrated is that Righthaven cannot sue for damages over property that it simply doesn't own.
Stephens Media owned the property in question.  They were the only ones who could have sued for damages.

Likewise, Getty couldn't sue for damages over content that it doesn't own the rights to.
The details as to whether Getty owns the rights to something or not would reside in the actual contract between Getty and the artist.

My personal opinion is that the more rights that are transferred to Getty in a contract, then the stronger their standing would be.
Getty would have to show that they largely "control" the use, distribution, and modification rights, in addition to the right to litigate in order to be in a very strong position.

S.G.


1002
To answer your questions; each “impression” of an image on the web or in print counts as one infringement.
Because you used a low-res version of the original photo, that would decrease the amount of your damages in a court case.
The fact that you removed the image shows “goodwill”, however, MF will still want to be paid for the past usage.
If the image was altered so much as to be “unrecognizable”, then you might have a defence based on the alteration, but 50% is not normally enough.
Try to avoid mentioning that you grabbed the image off of Google.
  
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For those who don’t want to settle, a big part of all this is the waiting game.  What some do is “wait” and see if a lawsuit is filed.
If no lawsuit is filed within three years, you’re home free.
If a suit is filed, some settle at that stage (you’ll have less negotiating power, though), others wait to see if MF backs out of court (you’re probably home free)
Others actually go to court and fight.  Some present an informal form of defence before a suit is filed.

Lawsuits are cheap to file, and are often used as an intimidation tactic.  It’s a good idea to have a defence prepared which would make you appear to be a difficult target.
This could make the plaintiff move on to other “softer targets”, although you’ll be harassed a bit for a period of time regardless.
If you decide to use such a tactic, you might choose to reveal it before a lawsuit is filed in order to deter them from filing suit.
Once a lawsuit is filed, you may still use your defence, but it becomes more laborious and stressful.

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The following could work in both Canada and the US, I think:

I wouldn’t doubt that MF has stated that it has an “exclusive agreement” that assigns the rights of the artist to MF
This usually includes the right to litigate and collect monies in the event of an infringement.  

As many of us know, the retail price of the image isn’t of the utmost concern.
“Statutory damages” are often of the most concern; these damages might include a multiple of the purchase price as a deterrent, and legal fees for the plaintiff.

The ability to collect statutory damages is dependent on the proper registration of the image with the copyright office.
You should search the online copyright database for entries by the artist in question.  In Canada:

http://www.ic.gc.ca/app/opic-cipo/cpyrghts/dsplySrch.do?lang=eng

If it appears that the artist hasn’t copyrighted his/her image, this means that the artist could not enjoy the benefits of statutory damages because he/she failed to copyright the image.
Therefore, if the artist couldn’t have collected statutory damages himself, he wouldn’t have been able to transfer such rights to MF even in an exclusive agreement.
I feel that even if MF was to prevail in court in a case like this (given the above conditions), they could only collect the retail purchase price of the image.
No legal fees, or any other damages “to act as a deterrent”.  If met with these facts, it could be sufficient to cause them to back off in some cases.

In short, if the retail price was 800 dollars each, they wouldn't spend $6000 on court costs to recover $1600.  That would be a net loss of $4400 dollars for MF.

Although MF may claim that they’ve copyrighted the image, this would be at odds with a statement that the artist owns copyright and has transferred the rights to MF.
Keep in mind also that copyrighting the image after the infringement may not be of help in most cases.
In the US, the artist has an opportunity to copyright the image within 90 days after first publication.  But, that’s as far as “retroactivity” goes as far as I know.

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Some important points to keep in mind here.  Oscar is a US attorney; I doubt that he could get “formally” involved in a Canadian matter, although that would be great.
Lawyers don’t do much for free, unfortunately.  Even consultations cost between 100 to 200 dollars.
Their “advice” will often be quite “conservative” and it may not be what you want to hear.  They can’t promise anything, unless it’s a “slam-dunk” case.
That might change if you hire them, and express your desire to fight, and also state what your risk tolerance is.
Personally, I don’t answer posts here if the issue has been brought up in a previous post.
The questions about collections have come up numerous times, and have been answered, for example.
Sometimes, I’ll post if I can come up with a strategy like the one above.

Good luck.

S.G.

   

1003
Sometimes, posts slip by, I think.
I'd be happy to offer some thoughts shortly.

S.G.


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Getty Images Letter Forum / Leaks show U.S. swayed Canada on copyright bill
« on: September 28, 2011, 12:21:51 AM »

Leaks show U.S. swayed Canada on copyright bill

"Secret U.S. government cables show a stunning willingness by senior Canadian officials to appease American demands for a U.S.-style copyright law here.
 
The documents describe Canadian officials as encouraging American lobbying efforts. They also cite cabinet minister Maxime Bernier raising the possibility of showing U.S. officials a draft bill before tabling it in Parliament.
 
The cables, from the U.S. Embassy in Ottawa, even have a policy director for then industry minister Tony Clement suggesting it might help U.S. demands for a tough copyright law if Canada were placed among the worst offenders on an international piracy watch list. Days later, the U.S. placed Canada alongside China and Russia on the list..."


"...The Canadian bill died when the May 2 election was called. A new copyright bill is expected to be introduced when Parliament resumes. Judging by past willingness to bow to U.S. pressure, few will be surprised if it mirrors the 2010 effort."


Read more:

http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1048993


S.G.


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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Getty in Israel
« on: September 27, 2011, 01:21:32 AM »
Are you saying that it will cost you $108,000 US dollars to fight this?

Also, nobody asks for advice, and then just says, "I'll pay them" when they have clear evidence of innocence.

Man, you must be trolling.  I'm done.

S.G.



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