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The reply from John McCain reads like the spam comments  people post to my blog - Generic and not related to the topic! ( obviously sorted out by my spam filters )

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: ELI Financial Issues
« on: November 15, 2011, 09:44:13 AM »
Hello all! please help this site to grow and to stay around. I am not affiliated, but I got great help from it. A site like this demands a lot of sacrifice of personal time and money. Show your appreciation as well!

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Copyright compliance request
« on: November 02, 2011, 10:11:00 AM »
Did anyone think about sending cease & desist letters to domaintools.com and similar websites as they show alleged copyrighted material (historical screen shots) of virtually every website on the internet? 

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If you want to block out entire countries, get the blocks here:

http://www.countryipblocks.net/country-blocks/htaccess-deny-format/

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Thoughts on Picscouts ignoring Robots.txt
« on: October 28, 2011, 11:15:23 PM »
not sure if this helps - but this site lists all IP addresses by country:

http://www.countryipblocks.net/country-blocks/htaccess-deny-format/

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I wonder why there are not a lot of signatures yet

http://wh.gov/gJu


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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: How about an "Occupy Getty" protest?
« on: October 21, 2011, 08:35:56 AM »
I think to contact the media asking them to stop buying getty images and maybe use social media to get the word out would be a better idea - Tweet, blog etc.

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Got hit by the letter as well!
« on: October 19, 2011, 09:41:17 PM »
thanks - your suggestions are very useful. I think my case is straight forward - I am sending an e-mail to Oscar to his gmail account and hope that is the best way for contacting him and to find out what he needs to go forward.

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Got hit by the letter as well!
« on: October 19, 2011, 05:38:36 PM »
From the Superior Court where my company resides:
You can use the Small Claims court if you have a dispute with a person, company or government agency involving money. An individual (including a sole proprietorship) cannot ask for more than $7,500.00. Corporations, partnerships, and other entitles cannot ask for more than $5,000.00. You can file as many claims as you want for up to $2,500.00 each during a calendar year. But you can only file 2 claims in a calendar year that ask for more than $2,500.00.

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Got hit by the letter as well!
« on: October 19, 2011, 02:00:47 PM »
If I hire Oscar, will it just 'Go Away' or will I still have to pay them something? Is there evidence that people actually did not pay at the end? Not sure if playing hardball and threaten them to countersue for lost wages & expenses if this ends up in small claims court. I am getting tired of these clowns.

Also: does it matter if a picture was 'royalty-free' or 'rights-managed' in order for them to be able claim 'actual damages'?

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Got hit by the letter as well!
« on: October 19, 2011, 01:08:43 PM »
Thanks, buddhapi, your service is highly appreciated and I feel like becoming an activist. The letter doesn't contain the final settlement agreement with the conditions and my question about evidence if they always had the copyright for the image was replied with " Getty Images is not able to provide further evidence at this time ".  For now, I contacted the photographer directly and see what he will tell me.

Not sure if it helps, but their case may have a flaw as the image in question is used by maybe 1000 websites, most of them using the same image / template I did obtain, including law firms who should know better. The image changed ownership over time (from 1998 to date) and it will be difficult to find out who owned the copyrights and when the image was used. The photographer even did advertise a similar image on his own website in 1998.

You mention Oscars letter - how long does it take until he can reply back to them and how much would he charge for sending it?

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Got hit by the letter as well!
« on: October 19, 2011, 12:16:49 PM »
I have received GI reply - final settlement w/o further negotiations - are these letters really final and should one pay and get over it ?

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Re: Make Your Voice Heard!
« on: October 14, 2011, 09:34:06 AM »
I signed the petition - and urge others doing so as well. Use social networking to get the word out so that if someone searches for Getty Images finds more of these stories. Get people involved to sign the petition and contact your state legislators to take action as well.

Copyright infringement is bad, but if done as innocent bystander, there should be a good business practice to ask first and not ask & shoot at the same time. Bad for business. 

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Getty Images Letter Forum / Got hit by the letter as well!
« on: October 11, 2011, 01:08:56 AM »
Hello all - first of all, thanks to Matthew for setting up this website. I recently got hit by the Extortion Letter. I did follow the advice found on this website by calling them, removing the images and sending them a certified 5 pages letter to make my case.

What I did do, in addition to the basic steps, was to do some of my own investigation. I cannot let it sit if someone accuses me for something they cannot provide any evidence of having exclusive rights for.

Here is what I know about my case:

There is a huge number of companies (100's of google hits) all over the world using the alleged picture, including larger corporations, private investigation companies, copyright compliance companies and even law offices but mostly small business and personal websites. Some with slightly modified version by adding their logos or cropping the image. I don't think any of these companies would 'rent' this image as it is completely overpriced. The only money this picture is generating is through Settlement Demands. (No offense to the photographer, but it is an outdated photograph).   

The photographer did advertise a similar image, meaning the same location & setting, but with the people on it doing a different activity. This was published on the photographers website over 10 years ago.

Apparently the alleged picture was owned by a different company at one time and GI did merge with that company later on. Therefore, the alleged picture may have been available long before GI did acquire the copyrights for it. That’s why they may not be able to give me exclusive copyright information and I may have to ask the photographer directly.

Can it be possible that GI changed the pricing model from available for purchase to a Rights Managed picture just to be able to extort more money? As for the alleged picture in my case this could be possible due to the fact that it is widely used by a very large number of websites.  It is hard to believe they would to that. If they did, it would be interesting to know if this would be allowed by the law. If not, I may have a case against them.

Why would so many companies all over the world knowingly and illegally use this picture if not available through a royalty free CD? My feeling is that this picture was or still is available as royalty free image somewhere out there - I have contacted some of the websites, but to no avail until now.

Additional information: (If the info is incorrect, please feel free to add a comment to this post):

In 1996, PhotoDisc gave customers carte blanche access to download one of the 15,000 high-quality images available through its Web. YOUR photo may have been one of these pictures. Each image came with the standard royalty-free PhotoDisc license that allows unlimited use of the image in printed, multimedia or online materials as long as it's not used in a product for resale.

In September 1997, Getty Images did merge with PhotoDisc. So, the copyrights for some images most likely don’t fall under the Getty Images Copyright as the promotion was before that?

There is a chance they lack of Corporate Governance and may take it for granted that people just pay without checking first. This is why the settlement fee is not high enough for companies to hire an attorney.

Guys, fight for your rights and lets hope that GI makes a few mistakes that can be used against them. I wish that there would be a large Law Firm considering to review cases like mine (pro bono) and if there is a case, go after them - Have them taste their own medicine, but with much, much more bitter taste!



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